[starsky72]

Well, think what you like.. I know what I was told, by people involved in the organisation of the event in the weeks preceding the events.

Plus, given the nature of the statement DA just released, do you not think it would have added weight to his case to state the concerts made a loss, which he didn't do

[starsky72]

And then you get CT saying only 3000 turned up on the Sunday....

[Bobby Darling]

starsky72, on 21 July 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

Well, think what you like.. I know what I was told, by people involved in the organisation of the event in the weeks preceding the events.

Plus, given the nature of the statement DA just released, do you not think it would have added weight to his case to state the concerts made a loss, which he didn't do

I think that the promoters who organised the event are probably being chased by the Club. They got the numbers all wrong. Probably needed double the attendance to deliver their forecasts. Who did promote it?

[moondog]

Bobby Darling, on 21 July 2014 - 01:41 PM, said:

I think that the promoters who organised the event are probably being chased by the Club. They got the numbers all wrong. Probably needed double the attendance to deliver their forecasts. Who did promote it?

The Liz Hobbs Group

http://lizhobbsgroup.com/

[dim view]

moondog, on 21 July 2014 - 01:45 PM, said:

The Liz Hobbs Group

My missus works in Worksop (poor sod) and the kids there had heard three fifths of buggger all about it. If the Proact really is a first class concert venue and there really is 6 figure annual profit potential (£300k?), it should be given far more prominence at Board level. Perhaps a full time employee, and maybe even a new face on the Board who knows everything about Promoting, to deliver.

If I were the accountant, I'd massage the figures to make it appear that TJ was a major success, even if it wasn't. For obvious reasons, it's paramount that if we want to attract major stars we need to point to successes. I'd blame all the bad news on the second concert.

This post has been edited by dim view: 21 July 2014 - 02:32 PM

[newboldsteve]

Bobby Darling, on 21 July 2014 - 11:58 AM, said:

Again I think you are wrong. And the loss is probably a big factor in today's announcement.

ct said at one off the fan meeting that both gigs had gone past the break even figure

[spireitenag]

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newboldsteve, on 21 July 2014 - 02:42 PM, said:

ct said at one off the fan meeting that both gigs had gone past the break even figure

Chris Turner stated categorically that both events had passed the break even mark at a fans forum meeting well before end of season.
</p><p>The problem obviously is that the poor attendance of the second event greatly reduced the expected level of profit.
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[Pride of the North]

We had profit on tom Jones concert and lost it on the sunday

[brianclose]

Surely if the PATP was showing sales figures that were indicating a significant loss, there would have been a case to cancel it? You hear of gigs and festivals being cancelled all of the time due to poor ticket sales.

[DMU Blue]

newboldsteve, on 21 July 2014 - 02:42 PM, said:

ct said at one off the fan meeting that both gigs had gone past the break even figure

I seem to remember at the time everyone being fairly clear that TJ was doing well and meant we'd broken even. If CT said we'd gone past the break even point he wasn't wrong. In the end we made 78k profit.

The problem is we'd budgeted for a lot more.

Balls up or not he can't be expected to have come out and said "we haven't sold any tickets, this is going to be a disaster"

[Phil V 72]

dim view, on 21 July 2014 - 02:31 PM, said:

My missus works in Worksop (poor sod) and the kids there had heard three fifths of buggger all about it. If the Proact really is a first class concert venue and there really is 6 figure annual profit potential (£300k?), it should be given far more prominence at Board level. Perhaps a full time employee, and maybe even a new face on the Board who knows everything about Promoting, to deliver.

If I were the accountant, I'd massage the figures to make it appear that TJ was a major success, even if it wasn't. For obvious reasons, it's paramount that if we want to attract major stars we need to point to successes. I'd blame all the bad news on the second concert.

I think that's commonly known as fraud

DMU Blue, on 21 July 2014 - 03:44 PM, said:

I seem to remember at the time everyone being fairly clear that TJ was doing well and meant we'd broken even. If CT said we'd gone past the break even point he wasn't wrong. In the end we made 78k profit.

The problem is we'd budgeted for a lot more.

Balls up or not he can't be expected to have come out and said "we haven't sold any tickets, this is going to be a disaster"

Perhaps the lesson is not to run 2 concerts on concurrent days - If we'd have just run the one concert, would be be in a better position?

[dim view]

Phil V 72, on 21 July 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

I think that's commonly known as fraud

groan.

[spireitenag]

Phil V 72, on 21 July 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

I think that's commonly known as fraud



Perhaps the lesson is not to run 2 concerts on concurrent days - If we'd have just run the one concert, would be be in a better position?

I don't think there's much wrong with the two concert idea.

I think targeting the younger audience was a mistake,particularly just before GCSE exams.

Furthermore the lineup for Party at the Proact was never strong enough to entice a 10k audience.

I feel both events were furthermore let down by inadequate advertising.

[dim view]

spireitenag, on 21 July 2014 - 04:37 PM, said:

I don't think there's much wrong with the two concert idea.

I think targeting the younger audience was a mistake,particularly just before GCSE exams.

Furthermore the lineup for Party at the Proact was never strong enough to entice a 10k audience.

I feel both events were furthermore let down by inadequate advertising.

Correct. DA needs a Promotions Manager, who should already be looking who is available for next year, striking the necessary links, and coming up with options.

[needdm]

Phil V 72, on 21 July 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

I think that's commonly known as fraud



Perhaps the lesson is not to run 2 concerts on concurrent days - If we'd have just run the one concert, would be be in a better position?

Depends who we had playing. Obviously it is cheaper to have 2 concerts rather than one, as the fixed costs are spread across two concerts. I personally did not think either of the concerts were ever going to sell out. You want to attract the people who have the money to spend a lot on ttickets really the 30 plus age bracket. Lots of acts would fall into this bracket, the problem is that could we get them.

[Norton Blue]

brianclose, on 21 July 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

Surely if the PATP was showing sales figures that were indicating a significant loss, there would have been a case to cancel it? You hear of gigs and festivals being cancelled all of the time due to poor ticket sales.

But they tend to be those where it's been organised by the band? We'd have had the pay the artists and lost more money if we cancelled. All the risk is on us if we are organising.

[Mac's Back]

dim view, on 21 July 2014 - 04:57 PM, said:

Correct. DA needs a Promotions Manager....

I've felt for some time we need to beef up the non-playing staff....

[Norton Blue]

starsky72, on 21 July 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

Well, think what you like.. I know what I was told, by people involved in the organisation of the event in the weeks preceding the events.

Plus, given the nature of the statement DA just released, do you not think it would have added weight to his case to state the concerts made a loss, which he didn't do

I cant figure out if you are saying you were told both concerts individually were breaking even or combined it was breaking even?

If it was the latter, which i'm sure it was if the people in the know actually knew anything, then that provides for the scenario of Tom Jones making a significant profit, and PATP making a loss. Combined it would have been breaking even at the point in time weeks before the event that you were told. I'm not sure anyone is saying we lost money overall are they? Which wasn't the case

[starsky72]

Norton Blue, on 21 July 2014 - 10:15 PM, said:

I cant figure out if you are saying you were told both concerts individually were breaking even or combined it was breaking even?

If it was the latter, which i'm sure it was if the people in the know actually knew anything, then that provides for the scenario of Tom Jones making a significant profit, and PATP making a loss. Combined it would have been breaking even at the point in time weeks before the event that you were told. I'm not sure anyone is saying we lost money overall are they? Which wasn't the case

I meant combined, some WERE saying that the "weekend" lost money, I was simply saying that it didnt.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

spireitenag, on 21 July 2014 - 04:37 PM, said:

I don't think there's much wrong with the two concert idea.

I think targeting the younger audience was a mistake,particularly just before GCSE exams.

Furthermore the lineup for Party at the Proact was never strong enough to entice a 10k audience.

I feel both events were furthermore let down by inadequate advertising.

May as well have had another solo artist on the second day. Even if it was someone that could only attract a 4k crowd like patp the one artist may have been cheaper to put on?