[Goku]

On TFF they were saying these things before they'd been relegated.

Even when we got relegated from L1 (not the last one, the time before) we gave credit to Downes and Hazell and let's be honest they'd been nothing special, just decent. If he was good he'd be getting the credit he deserves.

[Bonnyman]

Goku, on 07 June 2014 - 07:03 PM, said:

This whole more space in League 1 thing is an absolute myth lol. The better players will always have more space. That's all there is to it.

Bristol Rovers fans have seen him more than us, they can see past the goals - good on them for not being blinded on someone's ability simply by how many goals they've score.

he has never been a fancy dan he is a big strong workmanlike player,he played well at the proact.

[Goku]

bonnyman, on 07 June 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

he has never been a fancy dan he is a big strong workmanlike player,he played well at the proact.

He scored 13 goals and a lot of Rovers fans don't rate him - what do you put that down to?

Also, why do you think all the Rovers fans are saying he has an attitude problem? What's your reading on that?

He got 0 assists last season according to the Rovers manager. What do you make of that?

This post has been edited by Goku: 07 June 2014 - 08:25 PM

[jonnythespireite]

Goku, on 07 June 2014 - 08:21 PM, said:

He scored 13 goals and a lot of Rovers fans don't rate him - what do you put that down to?

How do you define ' a lot'?

[BurySpireite]

On a slightly unrelated note, just been looking on the BBC website and something's confused me about the goalscorer stats.

Our stats work out perfectly:
http://www.bbc.co.uk...eld/top-scorers

If you add up all the FL goals scored you get to 71, the correct tally.

But if you go on the Bristol Rovers or Torquay stats they only add up to about 30, falling quite a bit short of their actual 'goals for' tally for the season.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...own/top-scorers
http://www.bbc.co.uk...ted/top-scorers

What am I missing here? Is it just bad reporting and there are players who scored goals for both teams but aren't listed or the players listed scored more goals than accounted for?

[Goku]

jonnythespireite, on 07 June 2014 - 08:24 PM, said:

How do you define ' a lot'?

A mostly unanimous conclusion on The Football Forum and a less than glamorous appraisal on the Bristol Rovers forum. I'm reading through the thread about him now - "attitude problem, attitude problem, decent player but attitude problem/lazy, good anticipation but selfish".

[Bonnyman]

Goku, on 07 June 2014 - 08:21 PM, said:

He scored 13 goals and a lot of Rovers fans don't rate him - what do you put that down to?

Also, why do you think all the Rovers fans are saying he has an attitude problem? What's your reading on that?.......if he comes and scores a few you can get toole on the back of your shirt....you might have to drop the "e"

He got 0 assists last season according to the Rovers manager. What do you make of that?

i make out that he scored more than richards...at the end of the day we may be signing a player with goals in his pedigree at league level who also adds a bit of beef to the side ..how can it be a bad thing?

This post has been edited by bonnyman: 07 June 2014 - 08:31 PM

[Town_Fan]

Goku, on 07 June 2014 - 08:28 PM, said:

A mostly unanimous conclusion on The Football Forum

That was your first mistake, relying on the opinions of those remedials.

[Goku]

bonnyman, on 07 June 2014 - 08:29 PM, said:

i make out that he scored more than richards...at the end of the day we may be signing a player with goals in his pedigree at league level who also adds a bit of beef to the side ..how can it be a bad thing?

Yeah, how can it be a bad thing? A signing going wrong in some way or another due to bad attitude, that would never Mark Randall happen Dean Morgan would Terrell Forbes it? Again, not saying it WILL.

I feel I need to clarify - I am only replying on this thread because everyone is quoting my posts and replying directly to me, which is fine, but I want to make it clear I don't have anything against O'Toole personally, I just think, based on what ive read from football fans the same as myself I would be looking at other players. Just as I am giving an opinion on a player "despite not watching him enough", so are people such as chester's ringer and bonnyman - it's just that their opinions are more positive.

Town_Fan, on 07 June 2014 - 08:36 PM, said:

That was your first mistake, relying on the opinions of those remedials.

They're a decent bunch from my experiences tbf.

[jack bauer]

13 goals from midfield is very good, dont know what system he played in, our 2 cms didnt hit many last season so perhaps cook is looking at a different option. Cook wants goals from all over the pitch, this guy may help with that aim.

[DMU Blue]

Port Vale fans were quite critical of Sam Morsys attitude.

If cook thinks he's good enough then that's good enough for me in pre season

[BurySpireite]

The folks on TFF definitely have a better reputation than us lot that's for sure!

[jonnythespireite]

Goku, on 07 June 2014 - 08:28 PM, said:

A mostly unanimous conclusion on The Football Forum and a less than glamorous appraisal on the Bristol Rovers forum. I'm reading through the thread about him now - "attitude problem, attitude problem, decent player but attitude problem/lazy, good anticipation but selfish".

Gary Roberts??

[Sammy Spireite]

One could argue that the player in the current squad, who puts least effort in sometimes is Gary Roberts.

Every player is different, and lower league players are lower league players for a reason, or a flaw if you like.

However, any players performance over a season can and is usually massively affected by the players around him, and JJO has been surrounded by under performing players.

I'd also take wheat every single football fan says with a pinch of salt, including myself!

PC won't take someone who won't fit the team mould, and will have done his homework on the personality and personal traits of any players he's interested in.

Of all the names we've been linked with already this close-season, this is one of the better ones (sensible names, at least).

[Goku]

jonnythespireite, on 07 June 2014 - 08:50 PM, said:

Gary Roberts??

I don't know what you want from me mate lol, I've said he could well be good, of course he could turn out good and of course you could mention a myriad of players who have had apparent bad attitudes and gone to a certain club and done well (Craig Davies for one), it's just if I was in charge I wouldn't sign him. I'm not in charge, so my opinion doesn't matter.

This post has been edited by Goku: 07 June 2014 - 08:55 PM

[jonnythespireite]

Goku, on 07 June 2014 - 08:54 PM, said:

I don't know what you want from me mate lol, I've said he could well be good, of course he could turn out good and of course you could mention a myriad of players who have had apparent bad attitudes and gone to a certain club and done well (Craig Davies for one), it's just if I was in charge I wouldn't sign him. I'm not in charge, so my opinion doesn't matter.

I don't want anything from you my man..you've given enough tonight

[Goku]

Tell me about it, I'm keyboard-knackered.

[Bonnyman]

Goku, on 07 June 2014 - 08:58 PM, said:

Tell me about it, I'm keyboard-knackered.

your just anti pikey

[Norton Blue]

Goku, on 07 June 2014 - 04:09 PM, said:

They were saying this about him before they were relegated on TFF. He wouldn't suit us one bit - we need hard working players. Look at our squad - you won't see one with an "attitude problem" among them. More of the same, please. You can't have a fancy dan can't be bothered type in centre mid.

You are wrong, wrong wrong.. "Do not want" , cant have players with "attitude problem[s]". Etc etc. good job you dont make decisions or we wouldn't have Morsey or Jones for example, both with so called attitude problems before they came to us, and what did Morsey do last year..... Wait on.... Player of the year was it? Dont be too quick to judge yee who is without sin.

[Waller is my hero]

This will be a wasted thread if it's all rumour & no substance!!!