[Westbars Spireite]

sophocles, on 26 October 2023 - 11:01 AM, said:

It's true that we haven't really seen much of Dobra's amazing skills so far this season, but thankfully, we've got such a wealth of talent that it hasn't negatively affected us this season. I agree with Sammy that opponents who sit deep cut down his options. I'm wondering if PC will consider starting him v Portsmouth as they won't feel the need to set up over-defensively against a National League side ?

I think it's more likely he'll put a 'proper' defender at RB and push Mandeville up the field.

[Bonnyman]

dim view, on 26 October 2023 - 12:41 PM, said:

what you are implying, as with Grigg, is that Cook doesn't know what he's doing. Don't you think that Cook would move him if he thought he could contribute more in another position?

Im not implying anything but i did read that webb stated holding the ball up was not griggs natural game,he has come deeper more and more as the season has progressed meaning his touches per game and involvement have increased,going back to Dobra i am not questioning cook just wondering why he rarely switches side to go on the right,he drifts into the middle and banks comes left but never goes on the right which for a very quick right footed player i find unusual,the only time ibdid see him there was as a sub and he went past players with ease.

[Sammy Spireite]

Bonnyman, on 26 October 2023 - 01:04 PM, said:

Im not implying anything but i did read that webb stated holding the ball up was not griggs natural game,he has come deeper more and more as the season has progressed meaning his touches per game and involvement have increased,going back to Dobra i am not questioning cook just wondering why he rarely switches side to go on the right,he drifts into the middle and banks comes left but never goes on the right which for a very quick right footed player i find unusual,the only time ibdid see him there was as a sub and he went past players with ease.

Did you not go Tuesday?

Banks spent most of the 2nd half out on the right?

[Valley Blues]

Sammy Spireite, on 26 October 2023 - 11:58 AM, said:

I don't think its so much about levels, moreover that Jacobs is 31 with about 400 appearances under his belt, Dobs is 21 (i think) with about 50 tops.

Or Jacobs has an awareness of what’s around him which is ahead of most others at this level, hence his career at a higher level.

Naylor is proving another example.
Watch how many times Naylor moves the ball forward into pockets on one touch compared to Jones. And this is absolutely no criticism of Jones ( he’s my favourite player currently ), as it isn’t of Dobra. I just feel having players come in of the quality and pedigree of Jacobs and Naylor has displayed traits as to, maybe, why they have stepped up in levels.

[hewittfan]

Search & Destroy, on 26 October 2023 - 07:30 AM, said:

It does seem that Jacobs and Colclough are in the 1st 11 and with Banks pushed forward into the 10 there’s one less place

Even LM is being square pegged into the team atm

I knock or a suspension and it can quickly change, he’s just got to perform when given the opportunity

Mandeville would be in the first 11 anyway though, he’s only being “square pegged” at the moment in order to accommodate Jacobs and Banks as well.

[Bonnyman]

Sammy Spireite, on 26 October 2023 - 01:11 PM, said:

Did you not go Tuesday?

Banks spent most of the 2nd half out on the right?

Im talking about dobra not banks

[Blue5]

DOUGLAS JARDINE, on 26 October 2023 - 08:22 AM, said:

I do agree that Dobra has not been quite on it this season but thankfully we have so much quality around the pitch now it’s not been costly

We missed him desperately last season when he was injured

Top top player

Dobra is one of my favourite players. He's a winner and for me, the type of player who thrives on playing 90 mins, every game. I think we are seeing more of a rotational approach to some positions this season and I wonder if it's taking a bit of adjusting to. That said, no one can really complain given our start to the season.

[Cum on u blues]

If I understand correctly Dobra has refused to sign an extension to his contract ? He obviously thinks he’s better than the team around him and at times I get this impression on the pitch. Yes, he’s a good player but his attitude is the biggest issue for me. Definitely not what I’d call a team player, often trying to beat one too many opponents with his head down, not to mention his abrasive character and sometimes cringeworthy reactions to good tackles. I’d hate him if he wasn’t in our team. As a young player I can only hope he changes. Berry by comparison, who has the same age seems to be (too) humble and gives the impression he want to learn but maybe lacks Dobra’s swagger (or rather confidence if I can call it that). Going forward I know who I’d prefer out of the two

[danblue]

Cum on u blues, on 26 October 2023 - 08:03 PM, said:

If I understand correctly Dobra has refused to sign an extension to his contract ? He obviously thinks he’s better than the team around him and at times I get this impression on the pitch. Yes, he’s a good player but his attitude is the biggest issue for me. Definitely not what I’d call a team player, often trying to beat one too many opponents with his head down, not to mention his abrasive character and sometimes cringeworthy reactions to good tackles. I’d hate him if he wasn’t in our team. As a young player I can only hope he changes. Berry by comparison, who has the same age seems to be (too) humble and gives the impression he want to learn but maybe lacks Dobra’s swagger (or rather confidence if I can call it that). Going forward I know who I’d prefer out of the two

Imo, for Bank's goal vs York (as an example) I think Dobs is learning that he needs to release the ball to open opportunities for the team. I dare say in seasons gone by, he would have held on to the ball and either taken a shot or lost possession. To see him pass to Oli in a better position either accuracy was great to see on his part.
I think the swagger is still there but not on show as much, like he's reined it in.

Berry I think has confidence in his ability with a pinch of swagger. His directness is great as he knows he the ability to skin a couple of defenders but also try his luck from half way line.

[metallilad]

Sammy Spireite, on 26 October 2023 - 09:42 AM, said:

He's a marked man, soon as he got the ball Tuesday night, he had at least two men on him.

That said, there is no one better in the squad than getting himself a bit of space when he receives the ball when players are breathing down his neck.

He'll flourish against teams that don't come here and 'park the bus' giving him space to run beyond players, he'll benefit when we get promoted (assuming he signs a new deal!)

He's got to learn how to play against teams who come to park the bus. He can't expect to be a top player but not have enough in his locker to be able to play against these tactics.

[satnav]

His best position is out wide where he can run at defenders and either get in a cross or draw a foul. Away at Altrincham he seemed to be more in the middle and every time he got the ball he either lost the ball or he was out muscled by a defender.

[Zigsuk]

Cum on u blues, on 26 October 2023 - 08:03 PM, said:

If I understand correctly Dobra has refused to sign an extension to his contract ? He obviously thinks he’s better than the team around him and at times I get this impression on the pitch. Yes, he’s a good player but his attitude is the biggest issue for me. Definitely not what I’d call a team player, often trying to beat one too many opponents with his head down, not to mention his abrasive character and sometimes cringeworthy reactions to good tackles. I’d hate him if he wasn’t in our team. As a young player I can only hope he changes. Berry by comparison, who has the same age seems to be (too) humble and gives the impression he want to learn but maybe lacks Dobra’s swagger (or rather confidence if I can call it that). Going forward I know who I’d prefer out of the two

How do you know this? Has it been reported officially in the media? If not this seems to be one of those many ‘I have heard’ rumours which populate this board. Or were you in on the contract negotiations?

[Goku]

Cum on u blues, on 26 October 2023 - 08:03 PM, said:

If I understand correctly Dobra has refused to sign an extension to his contract ? He obviously thinks he’s better than the team around him and at times I get this impression on the pitch. Yes, he’s a good player but his attitude is the biggest issue for me. Definitely not what I’d call a team player, often trying to beat one too many opponents with his head down, not to mention his abrasive character and sometimes cringeworthy reactions to good tackles. I’d hate him if he wasn’t in our team. As a young player I can only hope he changes. Berry by comparison, who has the same age seems to be (too) humble and gives the impression he want to learn but maybe lacks Dobra’s swagger (or rather confidence if I can call it that). Going forward I know who I’d prefer out of the two

I don't think he sees himself as better than the team whatsoever nor do I get that impression when he's on the pitch. I don't get how you can watch him play and think he isn't a team player when he's sprinting back, making slide tackle blocks to stop clearances up the line, pinching the ball off the other team's player's toes etc. If he wasn't a grafter he would not get a kick for this team under Paul Cook.

He's also doing nothing wrong by refusing to sign a new deal.

[Phil V 72]

Goku, on 27 October 2023 - 08:36 AM, said:

I don't think he sees himself as better than the team whatsoever nor do I get that impression when he's on the pitch. I don't get how you can watch him play and think he isn't a team player when he's sprinting back, making slide tackle blocks to stop clearances up the line, pinching the ball off the other team's player's toes etc. If he wasn't a grafter he would not get a kick for this team under Paul Cook.

He's also doing nothing wrong by refusing to sign a new deal.

Maybe he just thinks 2 seasons in non league is quite enough and he really needs to he playing EFL next season at this stage of his career. Of course, if we get promoted there’s a different conversation to be had with him I guess.

[Bonnyman]

Goku, on 27 October 2023 - 08:36 AM, said:

I don't think he sees himself as better than the team whatsoever nor do I get that impression when he's on the pitch. I don't get how you can watch him play and think he isn't a team player when he's sprinting back, making slide tackle blocks to stop clearances up the line, pinching the ball off the other team's player's toes etc. If he wasn't a grafter he would not get a kick for this team under Paul Cook.

He's also doing nothing wrong by refusing to sign a new deal.

Fully agree,no sign of him not being a team player and probably in no rush to sign an extension

[DerbySpireite59]

Cum on u blues, on 26 October 2023 - 08:03 PM, said:

If I understand correctly Dobra has refused to sign an extension to his contract ? He obviously thinks he’s better than the team around him and at times I get this impression on the pitch. Yes, he’s a good player but his attitude is the biggest issue for me. Definitely not what I’d call a team player, often trying to beat one too many opponents with his head down, not to mention his abrasive character and sometimes cringeworthy reactions to good tackles. I’d hate him if he wasn’t in our team. As a young player I can only hope he changes. Berry by comparison, who has the same age seems to be (too) humble and gives the impression he want to learn but maybe lacks Dobra’s swagger (or rather confidence if I can call it that). Going forward I know who I’d prefer out of the two

What is it you've been told, and by whom, regards Dobra having been offered a new deal,and refusing to sign it? We can then help you to determine if your understanding is correct, or not.

Also, please share with us why you conclude that Armando is not a team player. He certainly has the flaws that you referenced, but, imho, they aren't ones that are indicative of a player whose only interested in interested in being seen to he good rather than the team winning.

[Cum on u blues]

DerbySpireite59 said:

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What is it you've been told, and by whom, regards Dobra having been offered a new deal,and refusing to sign it? We can then help you to determine if your understanding is correct, or not.

Also, please share with us why you conclude that Armando is not a team player. He certainly has the flaws that you referenced, but, imho, they aren't ones that are indicative of a player whose only interested in interested in being seen to he good rather than the team winning.

No inside information from me, I saw this rumour on the thread and that’s why I added a question mark but it may explain a lot if true.

Don’t get me wrong he’s contributed a lot to our progress. You must have witnessed his form this season and it’s not up to the previous standards imo. Very skillful but frustratingly holds onto the ball too much and often loses possession in good attacking positions. Trying to impress too much ?

He needs a very tight rein and I can’t blame him for looking above our level I think that’s why we haven’t yet had a bid for him

[Mr Mercury]

I know the square root of eff all..but given his undoubted quality, age, value to the team etc and the fact that he’s out of contract at the end of the season, I’d be amazed that some sort of contract negotiations haven’t taken been requested already and the fact that no extension as been announced leads me to believe that they either arnt in agreement yet or he’s refusing to negotiate, as is of course his right.

[dim view]

Bonnyman, on 27 October 2023 - 01:17 PM, said:

Fully agree,no sign of him not being a team player and probably in no rush to sign an extension

Spot on.
I can't be the only one who has noticed Dobra beavering away doing defensive duties in our penalty area with great discipline and commitment, belying his physique. He's adding to his game.

[60s 70s Spireite]

dim view, on 27 October 2023 - 08:56 PM, said:

Spot on.
I can't be the only one who has noticed Dobra beavering away doing defensive duties in our penalty area with great discipline and commitment, belying his physique. He's adding to his game.

Didn’t Webb say recently, in answer to a question, Dobra trains the hardest of all. No sulking there then.
The worst? Colclough