[Westbars Spireite]

What would non-league football mean in reality?

It seems to me that it is dawning on people that this is a serious and realistic possibility now.

Crowds of under three-thousand, a team of even worse no-hopes than we have now and a lost generation of potential fans who see their local team as little more than a piece of fun.

It's a horrific possibility and one that would be deserved in many ways given the environment that's been created to allow this situation to fester.

The immediate future of CFC is in Jack Lester's hands and I wish him all the luck in the world as he might need it.

[The Peoples Champion]

Westbars Spireite, on 01 October 2017 - 11:15 AM, said:

What would non-league football mean in reality?

It seems to me that it is dawning on people that this is a serious and realistic possibility now.

Crowds of under three-thousand, a team of even worse no-hopes than we have now and a lost generation of potential fans who see their local team as little more than a piece of fun.

It's a horrific possibility and one that would be deserved in many ways given the environment that's been created to allow this situation to fester.

The immediate future of CFC is in Jack Lester's hands and I wish him all the luck in the world as he might need it.

You get what you deserve my friend.

Jack and his coaching team are the last throw of the dice.

One thing though.........


For the first time since PC/LR days I get the feeling they are going to be coached better. Its not everything I know but its a start

[spireitetoo]

The Peoples Champion, on 01 October 2017 - 11:30 AM, said:

You get what you deserve my friend.

Jack and his coaching team are the last throw of the dice.

One thing though.........


For the first time since PC/LR days I get the feeling they are going to be coached better. Its not everything I know but its a start

Agreed, jack has this club at heart, he will feel every loss as much as we do, and I'm sure he will make the players aware of it, anyone that he feels is not pulling in the right direction will be outted no doubt

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Westbars Spireite, on 01 October 2017 - 11:15 AM, said:

What would non-league football mean in reality?

It seems to me that it is dawning on people that this is a serious and realistic possibility now.

Crowds of under three-thousand, a team of even worse no-hopes than we have now and a lost generation of potential fans who see their local team as little more than a piece of fun.

It's a horrific possibility and one that would be deserved in many ways given the environment that's been created to allow this situation to fester.

The immediate future of CFC is in Jack Lester's hands and I wish him all the luck in the world as he might need it.

Non league football = no club

[Spire-Heights]

Westbars Spireite, on 01 October 2017 - 11:15 AM, said:

What would non-league football mean in reality?

It seems to me that it is dawning on people that this is a serious and realistic possibility now.

Crowds of under three-thousand, a team of even worse no-hopes than we have now and a lost generation of potential fans who see their local team as little more than a piece of fun.

It's a horrific possibility and one that would be deserved in many ways given the environment that's been created to allow this situation to fester.

The immediate future of CFC is in Jack Lester's hands and I wish him all the luck in the world as he might need it.

It would definitely be under three thousand - More like half that amount.

[Spireiteboy155]

Spire-Heights, on 01 October 2017 - 11:45 AM, said:

It would definitely be under three thousand - More like half that amount.

So you can’t see games against Maidenhead, Boreham Wood, Guisely and Solihull drawing big crowds?

If it’s non league, I’d rather watch Staveley MW!

[Tylerdurdencfc]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 01 October 2017 - 11:42 AM, said:

Non league football = no club

Fully agree, I think if we were relegated the club would go out of business within two years. Pains me to say but if we go down then I see no way back due to the unsustainable debts that the club have mounted. The first season down there I'd imagine we would struggle to adapt but survive, the following season get relegated and out of business. See Stockport, Darlington, Chester, Halifax etc and currently Torquay are on that path followed by Hartlepool and tranmere next year.

[Spire-Heights]

Spireiteboy155, on 01 October 2017 - 11:57 AM, said:

So you can’t see games against Maidenhead, Boreham Wood, Guisely and Solihull drawing big crowds?

If it’s non league, I’d rather watch Staveley MW!

No - IF we went down, we would struggle to get 1,500.

This post has been edited by Spire-Heights: 01 October 2017 - 12:00 PM

[gloucestershireblue]

I'd still go.

[Spireiteboy155]

Do an extent I agree.
They’ll always be a die hard couple of thousand though.

They could be done interesting away crowds though.

If we ever start winning again, crowds will soon come back.

[s42blue]

Isn't it a sad indictment.. if happily take 90th position in EFL now and not go again all season. Dreadful.

Football is about fun, support, and caring. The team yesterday ex a few provided neither. It's not fun any more. 21 years a season ticket but if players don't care why should I?

And to see L2 players faking injury makes me care less and less. My interest in football is dying.

This post has been edited by s42blue: 01 October 2017 - 12:07 PM

[Tylerdurdencfc]

Spireiteboy155, on 01 October 2017 - 12:02 PM, said:

Do an extent I agree.
They’ll always be a die hard couple of thousand though.

They could be done interesting away crowds though.

If we ever start winning again, crowds will soon come back.

I think you're being a bit optimistic there, the damage of the past two years has been done, it will take a lot more than winning a few games to get thousands of people back I'm afraid.

The only way the crowds will come back is a new board and owner and winning some games.

[CFC91]

I’d still be there. As I hope would many others but it would be depressing, we probably could afford to shut the north and east stands for most games unfortunately.

I don’t know if we’d survive but DA will reap what he sows unfortunately and the ones who don’t deserve it will suffer the most. Jack has a job on his hands we all know that. It will take time but I do think he can keep us up, but we need to start picking up points at home

[Spire-Power]

In football terms we are in a worse position now than when Allen became involved. He needs to think about that.

[Rodg]

Westbars Spireite, on 01 October 2017 - 11:15 AM, said:

What would non-league football mean in reality?

It seems to me that it is dawning on people that this is a serious and realistic possibility now.

Crowds of under three-thousand, a team of even worse no-hopes than we have now and a lost generation of potential fans who see their local team as little more than a piece of fun.

It's a horrific possibility and one that would be deserved in many ways given the environment that's been created to allow this situation to fester.

The immediate future of CFC is in Jack Lester's hands and I wish him all the luck in the world as he might need it.

AC quoted on this board, that since we moved to the Proact, DA has put £850,000 per year to stop us being insolvent!

I think when we reached the playoffs , he realised that even with a successful side , we only averaged around 7500 home gates.
the Championship would mean even larger losses.

Chesterfield is not a football town, our local rivals Doncaster, Barnsley have always had bigger gates if successful.

The idea that if we are relegated, he could have half the playing budget or less. The quality of the squad currently is not value for money on the wage bill we have.

The banqueting is profitable, the majority of the turnover is from non football days, weddings, funerals, birthdays, evening events, it is the best value venue in Chesterfield,
so 23 reduced match day bar takings, but with less police, gate men, etc, makes a possible financial case.

So it could be that to a businessman, he could even turn a loss making league club, into a profitable non league club, one with superb facilities, the dream realised.

He might then find a mug, to buy into the dream that DA bought into, he built the ground, he thought the crowds would come, he never dreamed he would be building a money pit, that he has to fill.

Now he thinks this is worth only £10/15 million for the real estate, he could promote the dream to a buyer, with a bit of investment in the team, we could be back in the league,
and then the Championship before you know it.
He must have a plan, perhaps this is it.

[kopblue]

Tylerdurdencfc, on 01 October 2017 - 12:04 PM, said:

I think you're being a bit optimistic there, the damage of the past two years has been done, it will take a lot more than winning a few games to get thousands of people back I'm afraid.

The only way the crowds will come back is a new board and owner and winning some games.

winning games gets fans back , a new board will have very minimal effect

[Spire-Heights]

kopblue, on 01 October 2017 - 12:29 PM, said:

winning games gets fans back , a new board will have very minimal effect

Funny that, because some say they aren’t attending because of who’s ultimately in control of the club? Not saying I disagree with you by the way - If we were top of the league, come March, the crowd would be doubled almost.

[gordon_brittas]

If Darth lets us drop down he's looking at near a £10 million loss as the club is worthless in value.

The only asset is the stadium, and without a tenant your looking at a Darlington FC Reynolds Arena scenario.

[ELTON 2020]

Spire-Heights, on 01 October 2017 - 11:45 AM, said:

It would definitely be under three thousand - More like half that amount.

I cantsee it being 1500. We all know the problems at the club but it will settle to about 3000. More for bigger games if we are doing well.

[Tylerdurdencfc]

kopblue, on 01 October 2017 - 12:29 PM, said:

winning games gets fans back , a new board will have very minimal effect

Well I've certainly not been since I found out what was going off twenty months ago now. I still wouldn't go even if we won ten games in a row. I think you're wrong about the number of people who don't go due to the board and not the football.

It was a legends first game as manager and the club could muster 5305 fans that's including no show season tickets, how many of those were they yesterday by the way?