[moondog]

h again, on 23 July 2018 - 07:51 PM, said:

And the key question remains unanswered - was it a genuine mistake, or a deliberate attempt to fiddle? Quite important really, but not half as interesting as slinging muck.
The size of the fine would suggest the authorities decided it was a genuine mistake - or incompetence if it makes you feel better. A proper attempt to fiddle would surely target something a bit more major than the peanuts involved here.

How can it have been a mistake?

My belief is that they paid the wages because they wanted to claim the players as coming up through the dodgy Development School, after some bright spark said if you are going to that then pay the wages, crazy

[Benno Spire]

h again, on 23 July 2018 - 07:51 PM, said:

And the key question remains unanswered - was it a genuine mistake, or a deliberate attempt to fiddle? Quite important really, but not half as interesting as slinging muck.
The size of the fine would suggest the authorities decided it was a genuine mistake - or incompetence if it makes you feel better. A proper attempt to fiddle would surely target something a bit more major than the peanuts involved here.

When you click yes to process a payment for a number of months that is not a mistake but a deliberate breach of the laws

[h again]

MDCCCLXVI, on 23 July 2018 - 08:24 PM, said:

No, the key question has been answered: did folk you've spent years defending and praising make illegal payments to players?

The answer is yes: as confirmed by the Club pleading guilty, being fined and paying costs.

But as usual you'd rather accuse fans proving you wrong of 'mud slinging' - or as the FA call it 'providing evidence' - than condemn corruption...

Corruption or a genuine mistake? I don't know, but you've obviously decided, in the face of a small fine, that corruption was involved.
Wonder why.

[60s 70s Spireite]

h again, on 23 July 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

Corruption or a genuine mistake? I don't know, but you've obviously decided, in the face of a small fine, that corruption was involved.
Wonder why.

Yet some commentators call it a ‘hefty fine’, which is indeed it is for a non league club. A mistake would have been rectified on discovery, no problem. Certain parties obviously decided not to take that road.

[Westbars Spireite]

h again, on 23 July 2018 - 07:51 PM, said:

And the key question remains unanswered - was it a genuine mistake, or a deliberate attempt to fiddle? Quite important really, but not half as interesting as slinging muck.
The size of the fine would suggest the authorities decided it was a genuine mistake - or incompetence if it makes you feel better. A proper attempt to fiddle would surely target something a bit more major than the peanuts involved here.

I'm glad we can rely on you to be the one asking the key question.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

h again, on 23 July 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

Corruption or a genuine mistake? I don't know, but you've obviously decided, in the face of a small fine, that corruption was involved.
Wonder why.

As others are queueing up to point out - including the FA - you're once again trying to deny the undeniable.

Wonder why...

[Blue5]

MDCCCLXVI, on 23 July 2018 - 09:01 PM, said:

As others are queueing up to point out - including the FA - you're once again trying to deny the undeniable.

Wonder why...

H Again needs to remember what is in the jurisdiction of the FA, HMRC and the company's liquidator.

[moondog]

AC tells me the wages of each player was £150 per week. The FA appreciated who was involved as only Turner & Sutcliffe were interviewed. The motive as I assumed earlier was because they wanted to claim the players as coming up through the academy, which he agrees was crazy.

[Wooden Spoon]

h again, on 23 July 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

Corruption or a genuine mistake? I don't know, but you've obviously decided, in the face of a small fine, that corruption was involved.
Wonder why.

The FA also decided, hence the fine.

[Exharboroughspireite]

moondog, on 24 July 2018 - 05:31 AM, said:

AC tells me the wages of each player was £150 per week. The FA appreciated who was involved as only Turner & Sutcliffe were interviewed. The motive as I assumed earlier was because they wanted to claim the players as coming up through the academy, which he agrees was crazy.

If only there was someone running the club on a day to day basis to hold others to account, question inefficient practices and create a culture of high expectations and professionalism......

[Blue5]

moondog, on 24 July 2018 - 05:31 AM, said:

AC tells me the wages of each player was £150 per week. The FA appreciated who was involved as only Turner & Sutcliffe were interviewed. The motive as I assumed earlier was because they wanted to claim the players as coming up through the academy, which he agrees was crazy.

What about all the other stuff and the cash that was flying about?

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

moondog, on 24 July 2018 - 05:31 AM, said:

AC tells me the wages of each player was £150 per week. The FA appreciated who was involved as only Turner & Sutcliffe were interviewed. The motive as I assumed earlier was because they wanted to claim the players as coming up through the academy, which he agrees was crazy.

You can tell Carson thanks for proving folk right again, 'M'.

Fans predicted T&S would be scapegoated just as they predicted Town would be handed to 'birds of a feather' and the fee would be exaggerated to salve Dave Trump's ego.

But these were CFC players hired by CFC on CFC contracts. It's therefore ridiculous to suggest only two people knew of the scam.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

h again, on 23 July 2018 - 07:51 PM, said:

And the key question remains unanswered - was it a genuine mistake, or a deliberate attempt to fiddle? Quite important really, but not half as interesting as slinging muck.
The size of the fine would suggest the authorities decided it was a genuine mistake - or incompetence if it makes you feel better. A proper attempt to fiddle would surely target something a bit more major than the peanuts involved here.

How the hell can it be a mistake?

[calvin plummers socks]

moondog, on 24 July 2018 - 05:31 AM, said:

AC tells me the wages of each player was £150 per week. The FA appreciated who was involved as only Turner & Sutcliffe were interviewed. The motive as I assumed earlier was because they wanted to claim the players as coming up through the academy, which he agrees was crazy.

Unbelievably stupid - absolutely no respect or thought for the fans or history of the club

[Goku]

h again, on 23 July 2018 - 07:51 PM, said:

And the key question remains unanswered - was it a genuine mistake, or a deliberate attempt to fiddle? Quite important really, but not half as interesting as slinging muck.
The size of the fine would suggest the authorities decided it was a genuine mistake - or incompetence if it makes you feel better. A proper attempt to fiddle would surely target something a bit more major than the peanuts involved here.

How on earth could this be a mistake? Walk us through the process please seeing as you’re the one bringing this to the table.

[isleaiw1]

h again, on 23 July 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

Corruption or a genuine mistake? I don't know, but you've obviously decided, in the face of a small fine, that corruption was involved.
Wonder why.

Not up to your usual standards of mischief. Poor effort.

It's very hard to mistakenly pay someone who isn't an employee and do it regularly month after month....

It requires someone to think they can get away with breaking the laws....

The next concern is of course it now gives the administrators prima facie evidence of the club inappropriately taking cash out of the defunct development club. Which will see them coming with their claim....

This post has been edited by isleaiw1: 24 July 2018 - 07:36 AM

[Benno Spire]

isleaiw1, on 24 July 2018 - 07:36 AM, said:

Not up to your usual standards of mischief. Poor effort.

It's very hard to mistakenly pay someone who isn't an employee and do it regularly month after month....

It requires someone to think they can get away with breaking the laws....

The next concern is of course it now gives the administrators prima facie evidence of the club inappropriately taking cash out of the defunct development club. Which will see them coming with their claim....

Good point, this could be why the club is being sold quickly on the cheap so others have to face up the problems that could arise

[dim view]

moondog, on 24 July 2018 - 05:31 AM, said:

AC tells me the wages of each player was £150 per week. The FA appreciated who was involved as only Turner & Sutcliffe were interviewed. The motive as I assumed earlier was because they wanted to claim the players as coming up through the academy, which he agrees was crazy.

can you please tell AC, using one of his favourite words, that he looks a right **** issuing a 'no further comment' statement and then promptly leaking stuff. The sooner he urinees off to impose his standards on some other poor buggers the better.

[moondog]

dim view, on 24 July 2018 - 10:15 AM, said:

can you please tell AC, using one of his favourite words, that he looks a right **** issuing a 'no further comment' statement and then promptly leaking stuff. The sooner he urinees off to impose his standards on some other poor buggers the better.

Fair point, I suppose he means no official comment for the media to report, although of course they are free to read this board