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#1 User is offline   Wooden Spoon 

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Posted 10 October 2014 - 04:33 AM

Won its first Westminster seat, and finished just 617 votes behind Labour in H+M.

While in Europe, Germany, yes Germany, slips into recession.

The great Euro experiment is over, its just that the EU political elite don't realise it yet. I hope they do before any more damage is done.



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Posted 10 October 2014 - 06:46 AM

View Posta kick in the balls, on 10 October 2014 - 04:33 AM, said:

Won its first Westminster seat, and finished just 617 votes behind Labour in H+M.

While in Europe, Germany, yes Germany, slips into recession.

The great Euro experiment is over, its just that the EU political elite don't realise it yet. I hope they do before any more damage is done.

The results also show, and the general election swing to UKIP may not be as severe, that the decision of Clegg to go into coalition with the Tories looks like a total suicide mission for the party. Less than 2000 people voted for them last night , 1457 in Manchester and under 500 in Clacton, where they were beat into 5 place by the Greens!
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Posted 10 October 2014 - 10:37 AM

Very interesting times politically, perhaps the most interesting in nearly 50 years. Yet still the turnouts are poor.

Too much apathy out there - challenge is to get more people engaged with their politics and not just moaning about it.
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Posted 10 October 2014 - 02:48 PM

View PostMr Mercury, on 10 October 2014 - 06:46 AM, said:

The results also show, and the general election swing to UKIP may not be as severe, that the decision of Clegg to go into coalition with the Tories looks like a total suicide mission for the party. Less than 2000 people voted for them last night , 1457 in Manchester and under 500 in Clacton, where they were beat into 5 place by the Greens!


Yeah, they look finished

View PostHistoricWarwick, on 10 October 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

Very interesting times politically, perhaps the most interesting in nearly 50 years. Yet still the turnouts are poor.

Too much apathy out there - challenge is to get more people engaged with their politics and not just moaning about it.


37% wasn't it?
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Posted 10 October 2014 - 02:56 PM

The main parties will have to do something now. They just sat back and thought the UKIP vote would float away when it came to the real business of seats in parliament, now we have a UKIP MP in there. I'm fed up of Labour and Conservative thinking they can do as they please cause they think people will vote just cause they are the two biggest. As much as I dislike UKIP they could end up doing us all a favour and getting the political elite to get out of there bubble and do their actual job which is listen to the people.
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Posted 10 October 2014 - 03:50 PM

the ukip candidate was the same guy who has held the seat for the tories for yrs in that area, voters many of them will vote for the man they no and trust before looking at any policies he may have, he could have stood for the monster ravin loonies and got a good share of the vote.
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Posted 10 October 2014 - 05:37 PM

Got no bearing on a general election. The usual by election punch on the nose.
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Posted 10 October 2014 - 05:48 PM

View Postmartatcross, on 10 October 2014 - 05:37 PM, said:

Got no bearing on a general election. The usual by election punch on the nose.

I don't think it is this time mate..I think there is a genuine mood change in the country.
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Posted 10 October 2014 - 06:06 PM

View Postspireitetoo, on 10 October 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

the ukip candidate was the same guy who has held the seat for the tories for yrs in that area, voters many of them will vote for the man they no and trust before looking at any policies he may have, he could have stood for the monster ravin loonies and got a good share of the vote.


And the H+M seat? previously held by a majority of thousands, now a majority of just 617?

A supposed "safe" seat reduced to a couple of hundred majority - how about marginal seats? How will the Labour party and the wet blanket Milliband do in these?




Mr Mercury is right - this isn't a protest vote - the protest vote was a few years ago in the Euro elections. Nothing changed. UKIP is now a real political threat to Westminster.



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Posted 10 October 2014 - 06:16 PM

View Posta kick in the balls, on 10 October 2014 - 06:06 PM, said:

And the H+M seat? previously held by a majority of thousands, now a majority of just 617?

A supposed "safe" seat reduced to a couple of hundred majority - how about marginal seats? How will the Labour party and the wet blanket Milliband do in these?




Mr Mercury is right - this isn't a protest vote - the protest vote was a few years ago in the Euro elections. Nothing changed. UKIP is now a real political threat to Westminster.

sorry mate but I dont agree they have won one seat and I dont see them winning anymore
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Posted 10 October 2014 - 06:17 PM

I'm a dyed in the wool Labour voter, and while Dennis Skinner is my MP i won't alter, but believe me I know more than a few folk who are voting UKIP for the first time at the next election, and if Dennis stood down I would give serious consideration to changing my vote.
The "man in the street " is becoming genuinely distant , for many reasons, from the two main parties , and under Clegg the Lib Dems have gone from the third party to being on the point of oblivion at the next election due to Cleggs deceit whilst forming a coalition. Make no mistake next years election is going to see an earthquake of a result, what it will be I honestly don't know, but things are changing ..the Labour/Tory monopoly is starting to crumble very rapidly.
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Posted 10 October 2014 - 06:26 PM

View Postmartatcross, on 10 October 2014 - 05:37 PM, said:

Got no bearing on a general election. The usual by election punch on the nose.


A punch on the nose for the Tories who are in power, AND a punch on the nose for Labour who are in opposition?





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Posted 10 October 2014 - 06:33 PM

View PostMr Mercury, on 10 October 2014 - 06:17 PM, said:

I'm a dyed in the wool Labour voter, and while Dennis Skinner is my MP i won't alter, but believe me I know more than a few folk who are voting UKIP for the first time at the next election, and if Dennis stood down I would give serious consideration to changing my vote.
The "man in the street " is becoming genuinely distant , for many reasons, from the two main parties , and under Clegg the Lib Dems have gone from the third party to being on the point of oblivion at the next election due to Cleggs deceit whilst forming a coalition. Make no mistake next years election is going to see an earthquake of a result, what it will be I honestly don't know, but things are changing ..the Labour/Tory monopoly is starting to crumble very rapidly.


I consider myself a socialist. I have always voted labour. I would never vote Tory. I will vote UKIP for the foreseeable future.

However, the EU project is deeply flawed and does not do anything for the man in the st. Its undemocratic. It rules by decree from the EU commission, not by parliament. It serves its own political existence not those of the people. It needs to go.

The Westminster elite are career politicians from public schools, all saying the same bland thing. They are not interested in the people, have no idea of the issues the ordinary man faces. it really IS time for a change. Now if UKIP are not the answer you want, you can use UKIP as a vehicle to get the main 2 parties to change.




That is enough for me to vote UKIP.



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Posted 10 October 2014 - 08:37 PM

View Posta kick in the balls, on 10 October 2014 - 02:48 PM, said:

Yeah, they look finished



37% wasn't it?



That is appalling if correct.
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Posted 10 October 2014 - 08:38 PM

View PostHistoricWarwick, on 10 October 2014 - 08:37 PM, said:

That is appalling if correct.



Some local councillors get voted in with just a few hundred votes and they make some major decisions about things happening around you
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Posted 10 October 2014 - 08:47 PM

View Posta kick in the balls, on 10 October 2014 - 06:33 PM, said:

I consider myself a socialist. I have always voted labour. I would never vote Tory. I will vote UKIP for the foreseeable future.

However, the EU project is deeply flawed and does not do anything for the man in the st. Its undemocratic. It rules by decree from the EU commission, not by parliament. It serves its own political existence not those of the people. It needs to go.

The Westminster elite are career politicians from public schools, all saying the same bland thing. They are not interested in the people, have no idea of the issues the ordinary man faces. it really IS time for a change. Now if UKIP are not the answer you want, you can use UKIP as a vehicle to get the main 2 parties to change.




That is enough for me to vote UKIP.


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Posted 11 October 2014 - 08:52 AM

When everyone from the bosses of businesses to trade union leaders want to stay in the EU, you should realise that Farage is a dangerous charlatan selling snake oil.

http://www.telegraph...one-for-us.html
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Posted 11 October 2014 - 09:22 AM

View Postbman, on 11 October 2014 - 08:52 AM, said:

When everyone from the bosses of businesses to trade union leaders want to stay in the EU, you should realise that Farage is a dangerous charlatan selling snake oil.

http://www.telegraph...one-for-us.html

After decades of buying snake oil from Labour and the Tories I think a lot of people are willing to try a different brand!
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Posted 11 October 2014 - 09:32 AM

View PostMr Mercury, on 11 October 2014 - 09:22 AM, said:

After decades of buying snake oil from Labour and the Tories I think a lot of people are willing to try a different brand!


Haha, nicely put!
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Posted 11 October 2014 - 01:56 PM

View Postbman, on 11 October 2014 - 08:52 AM, said:

When everyone from the bosses of businesses to trade union leaders want to stay in the EU, you should realise that Farage is a dangerous charlatan selling snake oil.

http://www.telegraph...one-for-us.html


many trade union leaders want out of the EU - they see it as exploiting cheap foreign labour markets.
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