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Posted 07 November 2020 - 07:46 AM

This thread is dedicated to showing examples of the Conservative Party being scum - weather that be through things they’ve said, things they do, the perpetual crony capitalism they involve themselves with or whatever really. I thought it would be handy to have a plethora of links in one place, so whenever somebody defends them I can respond with this. Feel free to make a Labour one to keep things fair and nobody has to post if they don’t want to, I’m happy to keep updating this with all things scummy on my todd. It will also include non-scummy failures by the party.

I’ve noticed the average man on the street doesn’t seem to give a sh** about things like this and I don’t know why:

‘ The UK government has awarded a new £347m Covid-19 testing contract to Randox, the Tory-linked private healthcare company whose testing kits had to be recalled over the summer because of concerns about contamination.’ https://www.google.c...-covid-contract

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‘ The UK government has said it awarded a £122m contract to supply PPE to the NHS to a company run by a former associate of Baroness Mone without going out to tender because it was required urgently
https://www.heraldsc...-michelle-mone/

Firms linked to Tories have won £500m coronavirus contracts without having to bid
https://www.mirror.c...n-500m-22563625

The Tories have wasted hundreds of millions of pounds across government during the pandemic.
https://labour.org.u...ile-of-failure/

More crony capitalism
https://mobile.twitt...444006944051201

12 worrying links between Tories and private healthcare industry
https://www.mirror.c...etween-21013592

MORE cronyism:
https://www.theguard...or-ex-neighbour

Hancock being a snake:
https://twitter.com/...2117593088?s=20

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Posted 07 November 2020 - 07:52 AM

https://www.heraldsc...-michelle-mone/

https://www.mirror.c...n-500m-22563625

https://labour.org.u...ile-of-failure/

https://mobile.twitt...444006944051201

https://www.mirror.c...etween-21013592

https://www.theguard...ous-nhs-reforms

https://evolvepoliti...h-millions-nhs/

https://truepublica....rupt-democracy/

https://www.theguard...h-deal-business

https://www.independ...gn-2021144.html

https://www.mirror.c...lys-wife-108740

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Posted 07 November 2020 - 08:14 AM

How about the latest news out of County Hall that the Conservative run Derbyshire County Council are trying to do a power grab and get the regional Borough councils abolished and just have the County Council and Derby City Council only.
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Posted 07 November 2020 - 08:33 AM

https://www.theywork...erbyshire/votes

Lee Rowley voting record. A proper career politician. Doing everything he can to NOT support the majority of people from his constituency. Apart from about four areas, the other 21 areas he represents are poor areas with low income households and below average school performance; yet, he votes against everything that could help the constituents from these areas.

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Posted 07 November 2020 - 10:13 AM

Lots of suitably balanced and independent papers being quoted there..

By the way, Goku, its Whether. You really should have tried harder at school....
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Posted 07 November 2020 - 10:17 AM

Whoever had Ian as the first poster to defend Tories gets... absolutely nothing because it was obviously going to be him.

Of course, he can’t actually dispute the accusations made, just the papers who wrote them which is a version of the ‘guilt by association’ logical fallacy. Come on lad you’ve got to sort your fallacious argumentation out.

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Posted 07 November 2020 - 10:19 AM

View Postisleaiw1, on 07 November 2020 - 10:13 AM, said:

Lots of suitably balanced and independent papers being quoted there..

By the way, Goku, its Whether. You really should have tried harder at school....


So are the stories they report invalid, Ian?

Are they 'fake news'?

Sometimes we just can't argue with the facts - an incompetent and corruot government feathering their own nests at taxpayers' expense...
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Posted 07 November 2020 - 10:22 AM

View PostGoku, on 07 November 2020 - 10:17 AM, said:

Whoever had Ian as the first poster to defend them gets... absolutely nothing because it was obviously going to be him.


There wasnt one iota of defence in my post, just an observation that the sources of the stories werent far for what would be expected.

I cant stand any of the miserable lot that are currently in Westminster, all more interested in themselves than the people they are supposed to be serving. I liked Dennis. You felt he did the job for the right reasons. Not sure the rest of them do. Beyond that have next to zero interest in politics. Do my bit, pay my dues, support the causes that matter to me, and leave the rest of them to mess it up. That bit wont change whoever is in power.
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Posted 07 November 2020 - 10:24 AM

View PostThe Earl of Chesterfield, on 07 November 2020 - 10:19 AM, said:

So are the stories they report invalid, Ian?

Are they 'fake news'?

Sometimes we just can't argue with the facts - an incompetent and corruot government feathering their own nests at taxpayers' expense...


No idea, honestly dont read that stuff. Whether it is Blair and his WMD lies, Brown and his bigoted comments, or the current bunch of useless idiots, politicians are a disgrace to the people they serve, whichever party they are from these days. Mind some Union leaders are as bad, didnt the NUM have to take legal action to get Scargill from his free house? what was that saying about power corrupts...?
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Posted 07 November 2020 - 10:54 AM

View Postisleaiw1, on 07 November 2020 - 10:24 AM, said:

No idea, honestly dont read that stuff. Whether it is Blair and his WMD lies, Brown and his bigoted comments, or the current bunch of useless idiots, politicians are a disgrace to the people they serve, whichever party they are from these days. Mind some Union leaders are as bad, didnt the NUM have to take legal action to get Scargill from his free house? what was that saying about power corrupts...?

Can you really say that about all politicians? Don't see that many bad examples from the likes of the Green Party, Plaid Cymru or the 'now we're so far under the radar that no one notices us' Lib Dems (speaking as a fully paid up member), we've had one bad example from the SNP who decided that the 'rules' didn't apply to her and Alex Salmond but they hardly get any bad press unless it's from the Tory biased papers trying to smear them.
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Posted 07 November 2020 - 11:26 AM

View Postisleaiw1, on 07 November 2020 - 10:24 AM, said:

No idea, honestly dont read that stuff. Whether it is Blair and his WMD lies, Brown and his bigoted comments, or the current bunch of useless idiots, politicians are a disgrace to the people they serve, whichever party they are from these days. Mind some Union leaders are as bad, didnt the NUM have to take legal action to get Scargill from his free house? what was that saying about power corrupts...?


Brilliant

> criticises the source of the accusations
> says he doesn’t read ‘that stuff’ and almost certainly didn’t read the articles

Well if you don’t read about the things politicians, particularly Tory politicians are up to then how can you ever get a fair view of shenanigans they’ve been up to recently? This ‘they’re all as bad as each other’ line of thinking is lazy nonsense, or UTTER BUNKUM.

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Posted 07 November 2020 - 01:40 PM

View PostGoku, on 07 November 2020 - 11:26 AM, said:

Brilliant

> criticises the source of the accusations
> says he doesn’t read ‘that stuff’ and almost certainly didn’t read the articles

Well if you don’t read about the things politicians, particularly Tory politicians are up to then how can you ever get a fair view of shenanigans they’ve been up to recently? This ‘they’re all as bad as each other’ line of thinking is lazy nonsense, or UTTER BUNKUM.

Well, I think it was Chris who once said you cant trust a thing that the press print but now it seems you can only trust certain articles that say one thing.... I tend to think he was right first time so I stick to reading decent articles in decent publications (normally about economics and not politics though)...

But you keep reading and only believing ones that suit you, one day you will get a bit older and your cynical head might appear. Have a great weekend.
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Posted 07 November 2020 - 01:51 PM

How many company directors, high court judges and politicians are old etonians?




https://www.theguard...n-by-profession




It’s why it’s been so disappointing in the last decade to see labour roll over and hand them power from nothing but stupidity and dogmatic ignorance.




In a society where my vote carries as much weight as the prime ministers, it’s a travesty that labour made themselves so unelectable for half a century.
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Posted 07 November 2020 - 03:19 PM

View PostDEATH, on 07 November 2020 - 01:51 PM, said:

How many company directors, high court judges and politicians are old etonians?

https://www.theguard...n-by-profession

It’s why it’s been so disappointing in the last decade to see labour roll over and hand them power from nothing but stupidity and dogmatic ignorance.

In a society where my vote carries as much weight as the prime ministers, it’s a travesty that labour made themselves so unelectable for half a century.


Was it really all Labour's fault though, Rob?

Let's look at those ten years.

Gordon Brown led the world out of an economic meltdown created by a financial sector the Tories had argued be allowed even more licence. However it was dubbed 'Labour's recession' whilst those same tories advocated austerity for the majority and tax cuts for the minority.

Yet people voted for it.

After that Ed Miliband was dubbed somehow unfit for office 'cos he couldn't eat a bacon sarnie without looking like Wallace. Or the Daily Mail claiming his Royal Navy serving dad was some sort of traitor. Or a thousand and one other pathetically personal smears that were never levelled at a Cabinet with more former Etonians than women. A cabinet that'd plumbed new depths of 'taking from the poor to give to the rich'. That 'poor' including doctors and nurses and teachers and firefighters and pretty much everyone else they later applauded on a Thursday evening.

Yet people voted for it.

Then Brexit reared it's ugly head. And suddenly the old rights and wrongs became somehow irrelevant. Suddenly it was okay to tell lies. Suddenly it was okay to be racist. Suddenly decency and facts and morals and evidence became second best to the ugliest sides of folks' psyches. And the daftest part of all was that a largely pro-EU Labour were led by a lifelong europhobe whilst a largely, infact often rabidly anti-EU tory party were led by a lifelong europhile.

Yet people voted for it. Well, more or less.

The last election really did take us down the rabbit hole, though. An unapologetic old red surrounded by cronies whose utter incompetence left lifelong Labour loyalists like myself cringing up against a moral bankrupt cheered on by a party full of family value espousing churchgoers. Their campaign was almost Trumpian, with the truth an early casualty as minister after minister looked down the camera and defended doctored videos or fake factcheckers or Bozo's cowardice. Then when he did appear it was to duck and dodge and deny whilst claiming the husband Corbyn was 'against marriage'. That's right, the serial adulterer Alexander Boris DePfeffel Johnson who wouldn't even admit how many kids he's got portraying himself as a champion of matrimony.

Yet people voted for it.

Now as said the last few Labour years can't be defended. My party allowed itself to be taken over by zealots following an increasingly inept leader with almost cult-like devotion. However couldn't the same be said of the tories? For anti-semitism read Islamophobia. For a huge increase in public investment read a pamphlet-esque manifesto saying next to nothing. For Abbott or Gwynne or Thornberry read Reece-Mogg or Gove or Raab. Or Patel. Or Hancock. Or so, so many others. And can you imagine the squeals of a Stalinist purge in the Murdoch media if Corbyn'd kicked twenty-odd MP's off his benches?

Yet it was hailed as strong leadership when 'honest' Johnson did it.

But therein lies the rub. I'd argue that if the two sides had had anything approaching balanced coverage over that decade - or even decades - things might've been different. And before anyone accuses me of saying the British public are too easily influenced - in other words thick - I'd ask a very simple question: why do billionaires spend so many multi-millions peddling propaganda if it DOESN'T have an impact? Who actually benefits? Have the last ten tory years left ordinary folk better or worse off? Meanwhile Brexit continues to unravel as the national con-job it really is.

It's sometimes said that the public get the politicians they deserve. I'm finding it increasingly difficult to argue...

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Posted 07 November 2020 - 04:16 PM

View PostMisnomer, on 07 November 2020 - 08:33 AM, said:

https://www.theywork...erbyshire/votes

Lee Rowley voting record. A proper career politician. Doing everything he can to NOT support the majority of people from his constituency. Apart from about four areas, the other 21 areas he represents are poor areas with low income households and below average school performance; yet, he votes against everything that could help the constituents from these areas.

Not disputing anything, just wondering which areas you were saying weren't the poor ones? I guess Ashover and Wingerworth are two?
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Posted 07 November 2020 - 04:27 PM

Aneurin Bevan: 'How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics in the twentieth century'.

And the twenty first...
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Posted 07 November 2020 - 04:28 PM

Largely yes. If your not seen as credible, you won’t get the support of the electorate. It’s as simple as that. Wet lettuce leaders, policies that people had little or no faith in. No charisma, no credibility. No a good mix.





Look, it’s not the likes of me and thee labour need to convince, it’s the likes of Ian, and those floating voters of so called middle England.




Labour couldn’t beat Theresa May, possibly the weakest prime minister ever. They got trounced by BJ. Why couldn’t they beat May? Her government was in turmoil. Johnson’s a joke figure, one laughed at by people, but people chose him over labour?




WA ALL KNOW BJ LIES. yet, has there been a bigger lie than the George Bush inspired WMD and invasion of Iraq? It’s what politicians do, saying the tories lie is pretty much a given, but you imply it’s only the tories that lie. How many times have you heard folk say “they all pee in the same pot” when referring to Westminster? That’s not gonna bring about a surge in red votes. He a bigger liar than him isn’t going to work. People expect them to lie, we see them lie in interview after interview, not answering questions, deflecting with waffle - Red, Yellow or Blue. Pointing out their lies won’t convince people. People,just,don’t believe the vast majority of politicians.





Brown, well he was on a hiding to nothing. Tarred with Blairs Iraq war brush, and then had to face a global financial crash started by American banks and exacerbated by a greedy financial sector in themUK - buts let not forget, it was on labours watch that the FSA regulated this sector. Yes, the tories wanted less regulation, but Labour under Blair also eased regulatory interference. Just saying “the bad old tories said xxxxx” doesn’t wash with floating voters. People just expect politicians to lie. Mandleson being made a peer so he could remain in government for example. No one believes any of them.




Ask yourself this. Labour (not Blair’s new labour) have not won an election for almost 50 years. Almost half a century. Many who’d remember the winter of discontent are dead, many who’d remember the 3 day week are dead. Yet these traditional labour policies still get the thumbs down from the British electorate - so why do they persist with them? Why don’t they learn from the most success period in the labour parties history in government? And yet, it’s more than that isn’t it. It’s not just the “fear of the 1970s” Chris, far from it. People see the likes Owen Jones......and are turned off. The condescending manner of these types doesn’t make ordinary people think yeah, that’s an ideology I can identify with.




Objectively it makes no sense for ordinary working people to vote for a party dominated by Eton toffs, wealthy business magnates and landed gentry, so why do working people not go red?


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Posted 07 November 2020 - 04:34 PM

View PostParagon of Virtue, on 07 November 2020 - 04:16 PM, said:

Not disputing anything, just wondering which areas you were saying weren't the poor ones? I guess Ashover and Wingerworth are two?

Dronfield Woodhouse and Coal Aston classed as affluent I believe.
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Posted 07 November 2020 - 04:34 PM

Not sure I am the one that needs convincing, I have never voted Tory, however the latest elections have shown that most people in middle England (the Home Counties, and increasingly Derbyshire..) want a party for the majority, that doesn’t have weird, unaffordable spending plans that hark back to the economics of the 60s. It’s no surprise that Blair won by appealing to the masses, not a social conscience but what was in it for them. You can sort things when you are in power but your policies need to get you elected. That will be Labour’s challenge - appealing to enough higher earning voters without alienating its traditional lower earners.
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Posted 07 November 2020 - 04:37 PM

For the last election in NE Derbyshire the leaflets labour were sending out revolved around the miners strike and food banks.

On a street like my parents where people own their own houses, work in fairly well paying jobs and are generally concerned with looking after them and theirs there is no chance of getting votes with stuff like that.
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