[spireman]

First of all saturday was as bad as I witnessed in 60 years but I am not really supprised at our start, if you look at
Leyton Orient last year was thier first in this league and by the first round of the cup they had won 4 drawn 3 and lost
9 including 6-1 at Bromley and 3-0 at home to Halifax.
Doesnt excuse Saturdays performance but is a example of how difficult the transition to non league is especially for the
fans,

[Spire-Heights]

You’re not surprised at our start to the season so far - I am, didn’t think back in June it would ever be this bad.

[jack bauer]

spireman, on 24 September 2018 - 04:37 PM, said:

First of all saturday was as bad as I witnessed in 60 years but I am not really supprised at our start, if you look at
Leyton Orient last year was thier first in this league and by the first round of the cup they had won 4 drawn 3 and lost
9 including 6-1 at Bromley and 3-0 at home to Halifax.
Doesnt excuse Saturdays performance but is a example of how difficult the transition to non league is especially for the
fans,

that is a very measured post. i thought we would do better than this, the national league has so far lived up to what many fans of other clubs who'd dropped had predicted it would be, seem to recall tranmmere fan posting something on here in the summer; there is little by way of quality on show, half the time the games feel like pre-season friendlies due to lack of atmosphere from away fans and yes it really does kick you in the privates when you find yourself losing to these teams. I hate this experience.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

spireman, on 24 September 2018 - 04:37 PM, said:

First of all saturday was as bad as I witnessed in 60 years but I am not really supprised at our start, if you look at
Leyton Orient last year was thier first in this league and by the first round of the cup they had won 4 drawn 3 and lost
9 including 6-1 at Bromley and 3-0 at home to Halifax.
Doesnt excuse Saturdays performance but is a example of how difficult the transition to non league is especially for the
fans,

Shouldn’t be much of a transition for the players as most have come from that level

[gordon_brittas]

I personally though we would be top 7, won a lot more than we lost and certainly expected to remain unbeaten at home.

Never in my worst nightmares did I expect to be in this position at the end of September.

Joke league Leyton Orient being top, they looked absolute dogs droppings but still beat us.

Think it’s going to take a Lincolnesque rebuild to get promoted out this league, meaning new board, new manager and new side. Think it took them 5 years to get back up.

[ELTON 2020]

spireman, on 24 September 2018 - 04:37 PM, said:

First of all saturday was as bad as I witnessed in 60 years but I am not really supprised at our start, if you look at
Leyton Orient last year was thier first in this league and by the first round of the cup they had won 4 drawn 3 and lost
9 including 6-1 at Bromley and 3-0 at home to Halifax.
Doesnt excuse Saturdays performance but is a example of how difficult the transition to non league is especially for the
fans,

Didn't it take a few changes in management to sort it out, as with the likes of Hartlepool and Tranmere?

[Paul stanley]

I've been watching national league since 2010, mostly Gateshead but also Luton when I lived down there, Darlington and Hartlepool. It's a frustrating league. Theres alot of pressure on relegated sides. Maybe that's what hampers there performance. After gateshead had got to the play off final expectations were high, alot of money was pumped into squad and it was annoying getting turned over by teams near bottom like welling, Nuneaton etc and a couple of seasons ago getting beat by north getting who were relegated before a ball was kicked. Hartlepool were dire last season, picking up now. Luton had a few managers before finally getting promoted with managers getting sack if promotion was not achieved, same for several others in the league

[Essex_Spireite]

And how did Orient turn things round? They sacked their manager

[60s 70s Spireite]

Essex_Spireite, on 24 September 2018 - 08:10 PM, said:

And how did Orient turn things round? They sacked their manager

But first they were sold to a major money backed consortium, led by a long standing fan and CEO of a nationwide business.

This post has been edited by 60s 70s Spireite: 24 September 2018 - 08:41 PM

[Essex_Spireite]

60s 70s Spireite, on 24 September 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

But first they were sold to a major money backed consortium, led by a long standing fan and CEO of a nationwide business.

That happened in the summer. Steve Davis was appointment and a few months later after a dismal run of 17 games without a win he was sacked. They now have Justin Edinburgh in charge and well...are top.

[Paul stanley]

But had the club not been taken over edinborough or even Alex Ferguson could not have turned it round.

[Lincs Spireite]

60s 70s Spireite, on 24 September 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

But first they were sold to a major money backed consortium, led by a long standing fan and CEO of a nationwide business.

And there lies your answer to our problems

[BlueRover52]

60s 70s Spireite, on 24 September 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

But first they were sold to a major money backed consortium, led by a long standing fan and CEO of a nationwide business.

We need to follow suit.

[DIFH]

MacSpire, on 24 September 2018 - 06:27 PM, said:

Didn't it take a few changes in management to sort it out, as with the likes of Hartlepool and Tranmere?

MA is our new manager though.

[Phil V 72]

There is a temptation to think that a new owner will solve the problem but I'm not sure it's going to be as easy as that. As I've opined many times, the club has been running beyond its means for many years and so to sustain it, it requires someone with capital to keep it afloat otherwise it can't meet its financial obligations. Even if a new owner raises what DA asks for, keeping a consistent strand of income flowing will be a real challenge.

Unless the club is sold to someone with access to money and is prepared to bankroll it, the problems are still going to be there and there won't be any decent players coming in whilst a new owner struggles to balance the books. One note of optimism is Martin Allen's statement the other week that he has shaved £1.3m off the wage bill. These are the sorts of actions that need to happen to make the club suitable for sale, but it could take many years to get the years of financial mismanagment out of our system and make us a viable business.

The last thing we want is a Brealey-type deal whereby DA retains an interest in the club and the debt to him remains a millstone whilst we struggle to keep heads above water. I don't want DA in charge of this club at all but be careful what we wish for - if we're blind to the financial reality of a failing business any sale may be the true death of the club.

[dim view]

Phil V 72, on 25 September 2018 - 09:15 AM, said:

One note of optimism is Martin Allen's statement the other week that he has shaved £1.3m off the wage bill. These are the sorts of actions that need to happen to make the club suitable for sale, but it could take many years to get the years of financial mismanagment out of our system and make us a viable business.

Some people would argue that that is precisely the action that shouldn't happen. Is there a direct correlation between the budget and relegation? Is there a direct correlation between relegation and reduced income? It's a deadly spiral that can only be averted by the allocation of a sensible budget, not a minimal one.

[Phil V 72]

dim view, on 25 September 2018 - 10:29 AM, said:

Some people would argue that that is precisely the action that shouldn't happen. Is there a direct correlation between the budget and relegation? Is there a direct correlation between relegation and reduced income? It's a deadly spiral that can only be averted by the allocation of a sensible budget, not a minimal one.

Well, I'm led to believe that in L2 we had a 'top 10' budget and we must still have a decent one by NL standards, so a good budget is no guarantee of success. I'd suggest a reasonable budget has been allocated (at last) but it's how that budget is spent that is crucial. If we want this club to be sold to the right sort of people, making us more self sufficient must be a good thing

[moondog]

Phil V 72, on 25 September 2018 - 09:15 AM, said:

There is a temptation to think that a new owner will solve the problem but I'm not sure it's going to be as easy as that. As I've opined many times, the club has been running beyond its means for many years and so to sustain it, it requires someone with capital to keep it afloat otherwise it can't meet its financial obligations. Even if a new owner raises what DA asks for, keeping a consistent strand of income flowing will be a real challenge.

Unless the club is sold to someone with access to money and is prepared to bankroll it, the problems are still going to be there and there won't be any decent players coming in whilst a new owner struggles to balance the books. One note of optimism is Martin Allen's statement the other week that he has shaved £1.3m off the wage bill. These are the sorts of actions that need to happen to make the club suitable for sale, but it could take many years to get the years of financial mismanagment out of our system and make us a viable business.

The last thing we want is a Brealey-type deal whereby DA retains an interest in the club and the debt to him remains a millstone whilst we struggle to keep heads above water. I don't want DA in charge of this club at all but be careful what we wish for - if we're blind to the financial reality of a failing business any sale may be the true death of the club.

I expect that is the net bill not including the severance pay costs for the released players

[Close but no prawn sarnies]

Phil V 72, on 25 September 2018 - 09:15 AM, said:

There is a temptation to think that a new owner will solve the problem but I'm not sure it's going to be as easy as that. As I've opined many times, the club has been running beyond its means for many years and so to sustain it, it requires someone with capital to keep it afloat otherwise it can't meet its financial obligations. Even if a new owner raises what DA asks for, keeping a consistent strand of income flowing will be a real challenge.

Unless the club is sold to someone with access to money and is prepared to bankroll it, the problems are still going to be there and there won't be any decent players coming in whilst a new owner struggles to balance the books. One note of optimism is Martin Allen's statement the other week that he has shaved £1.3m off the wage bill. These are the sorts of actions that need to happen to make the club suitable for sale, but it could take many years to get the years of financial mismanagment out of our system and make us a viable business.

The last thing we want is a Brealey-type deal whereby DA retains an interest in the club and the debt to him remains a millstone whilst we struggle to keep heads above water. I don't want DA in charge of this club at all but be careful what we wish for - if we're blind to the financial reality of a failing business any sale may be the true death of the club.

A well reasoned and very sensible post, a refreshing change from the lining DA's pockets rants.

I wish more fans could get the concept of it takes serious money to run a football club. It would appear fair to say that we have wasted more than most and questions remain unanswered, managerial appointments have proved very costly, but I dont for one minute think the powers to be deliberately cocked these up !

All of us crave a well run club owned by sensible fans and living within our means.

[Blue5]

Close but no prawn sarnies, on 25 September 2018 - 11:09 AM, said:

A well reasoned and very sensible post, a refreshing change from the lining DA's pockets rants.

I wish more fans could get the concept of it takes serious money to run a football club. It would appear fair to say that we have wasted more than most and questions remain unanswered, managerial appointments have proved very costly, but I dont for one minute think the powers to be deliberately cocked these up !

All of us crave a well run club owned by sensible fans and living within our means.

Why has the club not been run to give it every chance of treading water or even to make a profit? We are not talking about a few months of mismanagement this has been going on for years.