[Hoare (400)]

Does anyone genuinely Believe Martin Allan will sort this mess out? Does Dave Allen care if he does or not ?

The spiral has been downwards for ages, it still hasn't hit the bottom yet or has it, will the next game be a win that kick starts our season an see us surge up the league, possibly, but highly unlikely isn't it.


The fans as usual will take the brunt, and I think now even the diehards cannot defend the undefendable, cannot support the unsupportable, and cannot forgive the unforgivable.


Tuesday night will be the lowest attendance ever at the Proact, not the lowest recordable because we know the Newarks running the club will be allowed to count season ticket holders been their even though they have had the sense to stay at home.


Is this the end, or will it lamely drag on til the season finishes ? Personally I think by Xmas the fat lady could be finishing the chorus off " You don't know what your Doing " I really hope not, but its like watching someone whose terminally ill, you love them, an want them around, but you also want their an your pain to stop an the only way for that to happen is the end. Sad sad times, an for those genuine fans who go week in week out, my heart goes out to you all.



Hoare (400)

[Rudeboy spireite]

Another very good post that sums it up. No its not the end unfortunately i think we are just on our way down to oblivion

[Spire-Power]

I don't think MA can turn this around and that's why he should go.

[dim view]

Spire-Power, on 23 September 2018 - 10:15 AM, said:

I don't think MA can turn this around and that's why he should go.

Posts like this are music to Carson's ears. Just what he wants.

[Westbars Spireite]

dim view, on 23 September 2018 - 10:19 AM, said:

Posts like this are music to Carson's ears. Just what he wants.

The blame being apportioned away from his master.

[Spire-Power]

dim view, on 23 September 2018 - 10:19 AM, said:

Posts like this are music to Carson's ears. Just what he wants.

MA has wasted a good budget.

[dim view]

Westbars Spireite, on 23 September 2018 - 10:22 AM, said:

The blame being apportioned away from his master.

No, he's much more narcissistic than that. The blame being apportioned away from him.

[Spire-Power]

Westbars Spireite, on 23 September 2018 - 10:22 AM, said:

The blame being apportioned away from his master.

Best way for DA to limit criticism is for MA to do his job properly

[SpireiTed]

Whilever we have a stay away owner who is only looking to get his money back, we will be in trouble.

[kopblue]

Spire-Power, on 23 September 2018 - 10:37 AM, said:

Best way for DA to limit criticism is for MA to do his job properly

Macclesfield built a team up from scratch with a meagre budget and won the league, Blackpool got promoted and then established themselves in league 1 with all sorts of problems off the field, if our budget is competitive then the buck stops with MA his team his players

[Oldtimer]

Westbars Spireite, on 23 September 2018 - 10:22 AM, said:

The blame being apportioned away from his master.

I wouldn't think for one moment MA looks upon Carson or even Allen as his master. They didn't bring him up the motorway kicking and screaming, he came willingly. ( Similar to the other clowns before him. ) I'd imagine he would be informed of the budget available and the parameters he would be working within. Just like any manager in any industry there are monetary restraints. Fortunately for him he's in the football industry as any other and he would be out on his ear by now. For much of our dilemma Allen and Carson can be blamed but for that sorrowful performance yesterday the buck stops with MA and the shower of s...e he has brought to this club

[Limestone Cowboy]

Martin Allen as done what Dave Allen wanted and that was to get fans buying season tickets thinking things were going to get better, how foolish are we ? .

This post has been edited by Limestone Cowboy: 23 September 2018 - 11:01 AM

[Oldtimer]

SpireiTed, on 23 September 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

Whilever we have a stay away owner who is only looking to get his money back, we will be in trouble.

Why should his attendance in the Directors box have any bearing on the performance of the so called professionals on the pitch ?? As for getting his money back. I don't think that has ever been in doubt. I'd be surprised if he hadn't had a large junk of it back already in one way or another

[SpireiTed]

Limestone Cowboy said:

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Martin Allen as done what Dave Allen wanted and that was to get fans buying season tickets thinking things were going to get better, how foolish are we ? .

So true. For the last few seasons, the pre season build up has got us all excited about the prospects and the reality hasn’t lived up to the hype.

[dart in the crossbar]

It's time for the owner to try to persuade Kevin Nicholson that his next step into football management should be CFC. IF we are lucky, he'll join. However, given his recent experiences at Bangor he may be a bit too 'once bitten..'. Hopefully not. It's clearly failing miserably with MA and obviously time for a change. Given what's been on show, I'd rather have KN at the helm that MA.

[Oldtimer]

SpireiTed, on 23 September 2018 - 11:08 AM, said:

So true. For the last few seasons, the pre season build up has got us all excited about the prospects and the reality hasn’t lived up to the hype.

As the old saying goes. .. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, ... … Well I think we all know how it goes

[Westbars Spireite]

Oldtimer, on 23 September 2018 - 11:00 AM, said:

I wouldn't think for one moment MA looks upon Carson or even Allen as his master. They didn't bring him up the motorway kicking and screaming, he came willingly. ( Similar to the other clowns before him. ) I'd imagine he would be informed of the budget available and the parameters he would be working within. Just like any manager in any industry there are monetary restraints. Fortunately for him he's in the football industry as any other and he would be out on his ear by now. For much of our dilemma Allen and Carson can be blamed but for that sorrowful performance yesterday the buck stops with MA and the shower of s...e he has brought to this club

Sorry if I wasn’t clearer; the blame being deflected away from his (Carson’s) master.

[BlueRover52]

Limestone Cowboy, on 23 September 2018 - 11:00 AM, said:

Martin Allen as done what Dave Allen wanted and that was to get fans buying season tickets thinking things were going to get better, how foolish are we ? .

Very!

[Albert Holmes Slides In]

Gateshead had only 4 players (the rest, like Jordan Burrow, left because they thought the club was about to die) when their new ownership went through and they only just beat the deadline to prove they were even capable of taking up a Vanarama place.

IMO that it is simply undeniable that Martin Allen has had much more chance than Steve Watson to build a successful team.

Off-field chaos is certainly at the heart of what is looking like our demise, but problems off-field don't always have to be insurmountable. Blackpool got promotion from Div 2 and stayed up ........ and Eddie Howe often couldn't field more than half a bench at the Bournemouth he saved from going out of the league and took up ........

I hope Martin Allen can sort it out ...... but at the moment whilst apparently embracing communication skills he appears to be sending mixed and quite often demoralising messages to his own team.

[dim view]

Albert Holmes Slides In, on 23 September 2018 - 11:29 AM, said:

I hope Martin Allen can sort it out ...... but at the moment whilst apparently embracing communication skills he appears to be sending mixed and quite often demoralising messages to his own team.

Yep. He'll certainly have to undemoralise Reid, Weir, JBW, and Rowley. It would be a very interesting exercise to be a fly on the wall for the next 48 hours. He's got to address perceived lack of fitness, dead ball situations, decision making, midfield organisation and much more. It's so bad I'd settle for a nil nil. That at least means the defence and CM do their defensive jobs. Groan.