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#21 User is offline   Cartman 

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:51 PM

View Postfreelander2, on 22 July 2014 - 09:38 PM, said:

I've purposely pressed for clarification from the Club for weeks now regarding the Higdon deal, hopefully the likes of Cartman can now understand why.

Treat the fanbase with a bit of respect, we're not all thick, in fact, some of us can see through the BS & spin.


why do you need clarification regarding any deal?

why do you think fans deserve or should get clarification regarding any transfer deals until the deal is complete?

ridiculous to expect each transfer deal to be played out publically!
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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:53 PM

View Postfreelander2, on 22 July 2014 - 09:38 PM, said:

I've purposely pressed for clarification from the Club for weeks now regarding the Higdon deal, hopefully the likes of Cartman can now understand why.

Treat the fanbase with a bit of respect, we're not all thick, in fact, some of us can see through the BS & spin.


But what do you gain from this clarification you have pressed for?
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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:58 PM

View PostCartman, on 22 July 2014 - 09:51 PM, said:

why do you need clarification regarding any deal?

why do you think fans deserve or should get clarification regarding any transfer deals until the deal is complete?

ridiculous to expect each transfer deal to be played out publically!

I'm specifically talking about the Higdon deal.

I pressed for clarification because I knew we were on the receiving end of some BS & had been for the best part of 3 weeks.
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Posted 22 July 2014 - 10:03 PM

View Postfreelander2, on 22 July 2014 - 09:58 PM, said:

I'm specifically talking about the Higdon deal.

I pressed for clarification because I knew we were on the receiving end of some BS & had been for the best part of 3 weeks.


what BS?

club were in talks to bring in a player - appears that this will no longer happen

are you all happy now and saying I told you so to anyone who will listen

strange attitude
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Posted 22 July 2014 - 10:31 PM

My personal view (based on no insider knowledge) is that the recent statements from Chairman and Chief Executive were made in part to dampen expectations for supporters and probably also those parties the club is in negotiations with. Whilst we would have liked a full back, midfielder and at least one forward this is clearly not going to happen. I still, however, expect at least one 'marquee' signing before the Orient game.
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Posted 22 July 2014 - 10:34 PM

View PostCartman, on 22 July 2014 - 05:22 PM, said:

The doom and gloom on here and talk of 'just like 2011' is stupid

There are still 2 weeks to the season and the club are obviously looking at options

Yes we would all like a few more players, in particular a decent striker, but people forget that we were near the top of the scoring tables in L2 last season as well as having one of the best defences (despite no 20 goal a season striker) and our squad now is far superior to what we had in 2011 in midfield and defense

In 2011 we lost loads of goal threat in Davies and Smalley (around 40 goals) from the promoted side, this time we've lost Richards' 10 or so goals

There is no comparison, even with no signings the team is much better than 2011 and should make a better fist of L1 - this team was by no means outclassed by Peterborough who were near the top of L1 last year!

People like to moan and bang on about mythical 20 goal a year strikers, or players from the lower divisions of the Scottish pub league who could 'do a job for us'

By no means would going into the season with just what we have be ideal, but it should be adequate to do ok in L1 and certainly more equipped to do so than what we had in 2011

Reading the drivel on here you'd think we had lost all the players who did so well last season, which is not the case

So, hopefully new signings will come, but even if they don't it is no reason for the defeatest doom and gloom posts on here

Get behind the club, the current squad is good enough to survive in L1, a couple of additions would make us a very good L1 side

Talk of budgets and moaning about DA getting his hand in his pocket is not needed

I for one am looking forward to the season


Interesting title as it sums up what we have seen from the clubs management.

You are right that some posts have gone too far but the level of expectation has been built up over the last couple of years.

The reality check is that those in control have realised that achieving and retaining Championship status is no easy task for our club. Many of us have always held this view, and never wavered, despite the hype.

The reality is that becoming a steady Championship club either requires you have established average attendances of 15000 plus or are supplemented by a wealthy backer, or perhaps a mixture of both. This may change with FFP but that would only be speculation at this stage.

There has been a period where there have been hopes of pushing our attendances higher and no doubt to some extent the budgets were raised to reflect this aim. There have also been attempts to improve other income flows. Whilst not entirely unsuccessful, it has nevertheless become clear that these revenue increases are unlikely to provide an easy path to attaining Championship status.

Our position may be better with the new stadium and some increased income, but without further significant investment from the owner, this is going to be a monumental task indeed.

Many fans have absolutely no expectation of additional investment by the owner but perhaps the owner's ambitions have implied that this investment might be coming.

Personally, I'm much happier that the reality has dawned and going forward it is much less likely that any financial mistakes will be made.

Back to managing within our (limited) budgets and hunting round for a few bargains who can help us retain our new Div 1 status. That works for me.
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Posted 22 July 2014 - 10:40 PM

nice one mate saved me posting pretty much the same

the only other thing i was going to add to was:-

1. Ollie Banks did not have a professional pre-season last season he was from FC United and we saw glimpses so how good he could be - lets see

2. Dan Gardener - See above

I'm excited about seeing what the 2 names above can do with a proper regime and pre-season build-up.

And whilst i AM drunk OFF about the mixed messages from the club (will we ever learn?!?!!?) the main thing is we're nothing like that shambles that won the league last time. sure that was an entertaining winning side dare i say a lot more entertaining than last years lot? ...know why? because defensively it was utterly jenk. Utterly utterly jenk. 5 at home to Crewe, 4-0 up vs shrews to 4-3....etc etc etc....no no no. that defence was blimey ****.

Noe i think Cooper isnt the finished article but if/when he does become one he'll play in the championship. as for evatt. we're in a great position to have the lad. my concerns are the fullback positions but no panic buttons. but they are my concerns.
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Posted 22 July 2014 - 10:49 PM

View PostSpired, on 22 July 2014 - 10:40 PM, said:

nice one mate saved me posting pretty much the same

the only other thing i was going to add to was:-

1. Ollie Banks did not have a professional pre-season last season he was from FC United and we saw glimpses so how good he could be - lets see

2. Dan Gardener - See above

I'm excited about seeing what the 2 names above can do with a proper regime and pre-season build-up.

And whilst i AM drunk OFF about the mixed messages from the club (will we ever learn?!?!!?) the main thing is we're nothing like that shambles that won the league last time. sure that was an entertaining winning side dare i say a lot more entertaining than last years lot? ...know why? because defensively it was utterly jenk. Utterly utterly jenk. 5 at home to Crewe, 4-0 up vs shrews to 4-3....etc etc etc....no no no. that defence was blimey ****.

Noe i think Cooper isnt the finished article but if/when he does become one he'll play in the championship. as for evatt. we're in a great position to have the lad. my concerns are the fullback positions but no panic buttons. but they are my concerns.



fair points, agree with all that, including the concerns and the mixed messages the club give - the information coming out of the club hasn't been great, but then neither has the needy (I like that word) attitude of loads of fans who expect hourly updates about what is happening at the club


roll on Orient!
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Posted 22 July 2014 - 11:22 PM

View PostSearch and Destroy, on 22 July 2014 - 06:07 PM, said:

I know, things are so rosy that the striker deemed not good enough by the hierarchy at the club has suddenly become pivotal.

Armand needs to develop at Armands pace and you never know, he may develop, but being thrust into the spotlight as the saviour will end with him being crucified.

Not fair on the lad.

I'm sure Armand would disagree with you and would relish the opportunity to prove himself, besides he's a professional footballer so how it is `not fair on the lad?'
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Posted 22 July 2014 - 11:23 PM

It is all a little "needy" to be fair.

2 wins out of the first 4 and all will be forgotten :D
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Posted 23 July 2014 - 08:11 AM

View Postsmiffy, on 22 July 2014 - 09:43 PM, said:

I think the same in that we haven't seen the best from him yet.

just had a £4 e/w bet on him being top scorer in league 1.....only 150/1!! Bargain...nando is 100\1
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Posted 23 July 2014 - 09:30 AM

View Postfreelander2, on 22 July 2014 - 09:58 PM, said:

I'm specifically talking about the Higdon deal.

I pressed for clarification because I knew we were on the receiving end of some BS & had been for the best part of 3 weeks.



I said that yesterday and you negd me and told me to shoos
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Posted 23 July 2014 - 09:45 AM

View PostCartman, on 22 July 2014 - 10:03 PM, said:

what BS?

club were in talks to bring in a player - appears that this will no longer happen

are you all happy now and saying I told you so to anyone who will listen

strange attitude


negotiating a deal with a player wanting £4k+ a week when we simply have £0 a week (or there abouts) available?
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Posted 23 July 2014 - 09:55 AM

Doyle came on leaps and bounds at the end off last season, his movement is brilliant and when he gets a lethal side to his game we will have a brilliant striker.
Plus might he have more confidence now he is the main striker?
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Posted 23 July 2014 - 10:55 AM

.......................Lee

TD.....Evvat.......Cooper......Jones

..............Morsey....Ryan

Gardner....JOS......Roberts

............Doyle

Bench

Chapman Humphries Armand Broadhead Raglan Hird Dawes




That's it as we stand isn't it? Best hope we have some luck with injuries and suspensions.




View PostMartyg, on 23 July 2014 - 09:55 AM, said:

and when he gets a lethal side to his game we will have a brilliant striker.


Fingers crossed - but I`m not sure about his finishing. The rest of his game is very good. Can "finishing" be coached into a player? I`m not so sure it can be.
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Posted 23 July 2014 - 11:05 AM

View Posta kick in the balls, on 23 July 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

Fingers crossed - but I`m not sure about his finishing. The rest of his game is very good. Can "finishing" be coached into a player? I`m not so sure it can be.

He can finish, seen enough of his goals to know he can finish. What he needs is consistency, that is what splits the greats from the also rans.
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Posted 23 July 2014 - 11:12 AM

View PostMartyg, on 23 July 2014 - 09:55 AM, said:

Doyle came on leaps and bounds at the end off last season, his movement is brilliant and when he gets a lethal side to his game we will have a brilliant striker.
Plus might he have more confidence now he is the main striker?

Agree. Not good enough on his left side last season though. Practice, practice, and more practice.
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Posted 23 July 2014 - 11:21 AM

View Posta kick in the balls, on 23 July 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

.......................Lee

TD.....Evvat.......Cooper......Jones

..............Morsey....Ryan

Gardner....JOS......Roberts

............Doyle

Bench

Chapman Humphries Armand Broadhead Raglan Hird Dawes




That's it as we stand isn't it? Best hope we have some luck with injuries and suspensions.






Fingers crossed - but I`m not sure about his finishing. The rest of his game is very good. Can "finishing" be coached into a player? I`m not so sure it can be.

Compare that team to our first game the last time at this level:

T Lee, S Ford (S Boden, 84), N Smith, D Whitaker, M Allott , M Randall (D Holden, 77), D Mattis, J Lester, A Talbot, J Bowery, D Morgan (D Niven, 61)

No doubt in my mind our first eleven is much stronger now but withought doubt we need reinforcements for the bench.
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Posted 23 July 2014 - 11:26 AM

View Posta kick in the balls, on 23 July 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:




Fingers crossed - but I`m not sure about his finishing. The rest of his game is very good. Can "finishing" be coached into a player? I`m not so sure it can be.


There have been flashes of good finishing, Hartlepool and Morecambe away for example.

It seems to me, if he acts instinctively, he's a good finisher, it's when he has time to think that he's not as convincing.

I'd guess that practice and coaching would improve composure. Looks like he is going to be the main man this season, let's see how he rises to the challenge
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Posted 23 July 2014 - 11:47 AM

View Posta kick in the balls, on 23 July 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

.......................Lee

TD.....Evvat.......Cooper......Jones

..............Morsey....Ryan

Gardner....JOS......Roberts

............Doyle

Bench

Chapman Humphries Armand Broadhead Raglan Hird Dawes

That's it as we stand isn't it? Best hope we have some luck with injuries and suspensions.

Fingers crossed - but I`m not sure about his finishing. The rest of his game is very good. Can "finishing" be coached into a player? I`m not so sure it can be.


There is no doubt the squad is stronger than 2011 but that squad had to be patched up within a few weeks with all sorts.

It speaks volume that no one will argue with that team, it just picks itself

When Banks is fit and when an if Drew regains fitness things will star to look comparatively roses. In the meantime as you pointed out injuries are a major concern and one or two in the wrong position will see in serious trouble. I think we are seriously tempting fate

The only obvious under strength department is the striker position. I have always defended Doyle and even Armand against critics, but the strength and depth of the department is lacking, although I notice people seem to be more upbeat about it now all hope of a ready made addition has gone
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