[Goku]

h again, on 23 July 2014 - 06:32 PM, said:

The forecast was on the optimistic side, no more than that. The result of it was that PC was able to bring in players of the calibre of Morsy, Ryan, Evatt and Roberts. These are players we would be chuffed at signing now, so all we did was get the good stuff in a year early.
So this time we're a bit short of readies? Not a big deal, the most important part of the squad is signed up and ready to go. A new striker would be nice, but the way we're set up is to share the goals between the front four. Somebody to win and hold up the ball would be handy, but not necessarily a big money, big goals striker - Parkin or someone similar would do nicely.
Incidentally, what would you have said if the attendance had been underestimated, PC was left with rubbish and we'd finished up mid table? Forecasting is a difficult art, and the consequences are dramatic.

Then be optimistic with the forecast - don't have a go at the fans with snide remarks for not turning up enough when you get it wrong! Man up and deal with the mistake you made, take blame for your own actions. Take a look at your own product and if it didn't attract enough people ask why not. We won the league so there probably wasn't much more they could've done - hence the estimate being wrong, hence don't criticise the fans (including those that didn't go, who have every right not to go as they may well have valid reasons).

As for the possibility of the attendance being underestimated, I would have preferred for the club to live within its means regardless of the end result whether we finished first or third or seventh or outside the playoff places. Looks like we're finally doing it now, though. We'll see how it goes, I guess if we somehow manage survival this will all become a convenient success masterminded in spite of piss poor financial planning. We shall see.

[Cartman]

Goku, on 23 July 2014 - 06:45 PM, said:

Then be optimistic with the forecast - don't have a go at the fans with snide remarks for not turning up enough when you get it wrong! Man up and deal with the mistake you made, take blame for your own actions. Take a look at your own product and if it didn't attract enough people ask why not. We won the league so there probably wasn't much more they could've done - hence the estimate being wrong, hence don't criticise the fans (including those that didn't go, who have every right not to go as they may well have valid reasons).

As for the possibility of the attendance being underestimated, I would have preferred for the club to live within its means regardless of the end result whether we finished first or third or seventh or outside the playoff places. Looks like we're finally doing it now, though. We'll see how it goes, I guess if we somehow manage survival this will all become a convenient success masterminded in spite of piss poor financial planning. We shall see.

again, taking DAs comments far too personally

not enough people turned up, I did so not bothered about what he says with regards to fans turning up

And on the second paragraph you know very well what would have happened had the forecast been lower and players recruited accordingly - 100s of posts saying NO AMBITION

And you are right, we will se how it goes, lower mid table is certainly achieveable with the current squad

[Goku]

Cartman, on 23 July 2014 - 06:49 PM, said:

And you are right, we will se how it goes, lower mid table is certainly achieveable with the current squad

I disagree entirely. Maybe if we were to go through the entire season without an injury or a suspension we would scrape safety. We have zero strength in depth bar the goalkeeper, centre half and attacking midfield/wing positions. Tommy and Chapman are sound. Our backup left back is a 36 (I think) year old with absolutely no pace whatsoever. At RB we have Tendayi who I think is good but who only about five other town fans seem to actually rate there. Talbot is injured, again, and may well be for a while. We have a good CM in Ryan and a very good CM in Morsy, who is the real star of the show, but no real strength in depth there either. We have Hird who can 'fill in' and 'do a job' but that is as a pure defensive midfielder and he will not offer a thing going forward bar maybe two or three set piece goals a season (which is good given his size and I'm not laying into Hird for not being able to attack, for the record). Our attacking midfield positions are good but we could still use a pacey left winger and I am very worried about how Roberts will do in this division despite his excellent season last season. He is very 'luxury' and from what I've seen and heard he's performed poorly in general so far this pre-season. Banks starts the season injured weakening us further, O'Shea I rate highly but is inconsistent (he'd still be my first choice AMC/AMR though, I really do like the lad), Gardner is untested but looks bright... who else is there for the attacking mid/wing positions, I thought we had more before I started writing this post? Obviously one of Drew/Tendayi can play there but with Drew being injured frequently who knows when either of them will next get the chance to play there? Charlie Dawes is a striker by trade who is 18 and it'd be crazy to rely on him. Then we have Doyle who is good but is a very inconsistent finisher (his good points are well noted - very clever runs, not afraid to do the dirty work and run the channels, generally a clever player) and Gnandulliet who is doing well in pre-season but he couldn't score with any degree of consistency in League 2 so how on earth is he going to do it in League 1?

Going into our first game at Orient, our team in my eyes will line up as such;

Lee
Tendayi Evatt Cooper Jones
Ryan Morsy
Gardner O'Shea Roberts
Doyle

Maybe swap Gardner and O'Shea. Which looks okay, don't get me wrong. Let's look at the bench;

1. Chapman
2. Raglan
3. Hird
4. Humphreys
5. Broadhead
6. Dawes
7. Gnandulliet

So five defensive subs, a completely untried young striker and a 'nuisance factor'.

If we don't sign anyone by then, is that not pretty damn worrying?

[Cartman]

injuries / suspensions will play a part (we probably went down last time cos of Tommy's injury) but the squad as you describe it is capable of doing ok in this division

As you note the squad is pretty small, so signings would be good and I am sure we'll get a few loanees in if we don't sign anyone permanently

Wouldn't be surprised if we do sign a couple before Orient though and then the club play the 'we've had to spend over budget we need loads of fans to come every week' card

[Spireite-Karl]

We went down WITH Tommy last time and this had nothing to do with his injury. We were a car crash from day one and the only outcome was relegation.
Yes, the squad is a lot better and far more balanced this time around, though it still had problems in the lower league last season and these obviously haven't been improved upon. I agree with Josh and the lack of depth even for a day to day squad, never mind any injuries and suspensions is frightening.

[Cartman]

Spireite-Karl, on 23 July 2014 - 07:40 PM, said:

We went down WITH Tommy last time and this had nothing to do with his injury. We were a car crash from day one and the only outcome was relegation.
Yes, the squad is a lot better and far more balanced this time around, though it still had problems in the lower league last season and these obviously haven't been improved upon. I agree with Josh and the lack of depth even for a day to day squad, never mind any injuries and suspensions is frightening.

so Tommy's injury and the joke keepers we had to replace him had no effect at all?

he was out for a good part of the season and Fleming and the Danish loan kid were terrible and certainly cost us points - points that may have kept us up

[Spireite-Karl]

Cartman, on 23 July 2014 - 07:57 PM, said:

so Tommy's injury and the joke keepers we had to replace him had no effect at all?

he was out for a good part of the season and Fleming and the Danish loan kid were terrible and certainly cost us points - points that may have kept us up

Not on the end outcome in my view, we would still have gone down.

[Cartman]

Spireite-Karl, on 23 July 2014 - 08:11 PM, said:

Not on the end outcome in my view, we would still have gone down.

impossible to say with any certainty

what you can say with certainty is that Tommy Lee is a better goalie than the jokers who played whilst he was injured

[Spireite-Karl]

Cartman, on 23 July 2014 - 08:14 PM, said:

impossible to say with any certainty

what you can say with certainty is that Tommy Lee is a better goalie than the jokers who played whilst he was injured

True, though eight points is a hell of a lot to make up when you've only won ten and gained 42 points all season.

[60s 70s Spireite]

Cartman, on 23 July 2014 - 08:14 PM, said:

impossible to say with any certainty

what you can say with certainty is that Tommy Lee is a better goalie than the jokers who played whilst he was injured

With Tommy
W 12 D12 L 16 percentages 30:30:40
Without
W 2 D 3 L 9 percentages 14:21:65

[jonnythespireite]

60s 70s Spireite, on 23 July 2014 - 08:24 PM, said:

With Tommy
W 12 D12 L 16 percentages 30:30:40
Without
W 2 D 3 L 9 percentages 14:21:65

Is that the relegation season ? There's 54 games there? Cup?

[Spireite-Karl]

jonnythespireite, on 23 July 2014 - 08:28 PM, said:

Is that the relegation season ? There's 54 games there? Cup?

We only won ten league games all season.

[60s 70s Spireite]

jonnythespireite, on 23 July 2014 - 08:28 PM, said:

Is that the relegation season ? There's 54 games there? Cup?

Yes and yes.

[valemadness]

Spireite-Karl, on 23 July 2014 - 08:31 PM, said:

We only won ten league games all season.

But we won the jpt.

[Sammy Spireite]

Just thought I'd resurrect one of the endless threads like this that appear on here when we're in a run of bad form.

This lad went on to score 5 goals in 28 appearances for Barnsley last season and was then released on a free, 12 months after Barnsley paid a fee for him.

Keep 'em coming, Warfey.

[Search & Destroy]

Sammy Spireite, on 09 October 2015 - 11:54 AM, said:

Just thought I'd resurrect one of the endless threads like this that appear on here when we're in a run of bad form.

This lad went on to score 5 goals in 28 appearances for Barnsley last season and was then released on a free, 12 months after Barnsley paid a fee for him.

Keep 'em coming, Warfey.

better than Armand, Mani or Harrison then

Soccerbase shows 5 goals in 14 starts for Barnsley with no fee paid to Cowdenbeath

4 goals in 11 starts for Dundee in the SPL this year

38 goals in 70 starts in total.

This post has been edited by Search and Destroy: 09 October 2015 - 01:35 PM