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Phil V 72, on 22 July 2014 - 03:19 PM, said:

It also (as we see here) makes supporters a little grumpy

Try not to sink to Fishini's level.
One big decision has gone wrong for DA - he got the concerts wrong - but these things happen. If he'd got them right, we might have had £300k or more, more income. It's important, as CT says to Karen of the Chesterfield Post, to give DA some TLC rather than being grumpy. He's astute enough to learn from these things.

[fadedblue]

How long before DA tries for a gaming license to open a casino in the club? Said when he first came on board we would have a good banqueting suite with a mediocre football team. Not seeing much to change my opinion of late.

[starsky72]

Phil V 72, on 22 July 2014 - 03:19 PM, said:

As it is, the timing of it makes them look unprepared and a little silly.

Just a little...

[spireitenag]

fadedblue, on 22 July 2014 - 03:41 PM, said:

How long before DA tries for a gaming license to open a casino in the club? Said when he first came on board we would have a good banqueting suite with a mediocre football team. Not seeing much to change my opinion of late.

The council have turned down every single application for a casino licence made so far within the borough and NE Derbyshire.

[Stents]

spireitenag, on 22 July 2014 - 03:54 PM, said:

The council have turned down every single application for a casino licence made so far within the borough and NE Derbyshire.

Isn't there a Casino inside Livingstones?

[fadedblue]

spireitenag, on 22 July 2014 - 03:54 PM, said:

The council have turned down every single application for a casino licence made so far within the borough and NE Derbyshire.

That surely makes it more worthwhile. Not saying it will happen any time soon but DA, as Chairman of CFC, has certainly got more leverage than some of the previous clowns who have applied.

[ELTON 2020]

a kick in the balls, on 22 July 2014 - 09:26 AM, said:

Interesting idea.

I`d like to know who budgeted for 7000, and what the reasoning behind it all was.

We fell short of 7000 in the first season, and that was with the new ground feel good factor - not on the back of a relegation and 2 seasons stagnation in L2. Those sat in the board room ought to be mindfull of this clubs historical levels of support - its Chesterfield football club a small lower league club which has historically had around 4000 fans - not some sleeping giant with a large fan base waiting to return if the club has success.

I know if they hadn't spent that we may not have been able to sign Evvat - or Roberts and been 1 quality player down etc - but you have to base estimates/budgets on reality. Not what you want to happen, but what you think will happen.

6500 would have been sensible - 7000 is very optimistic.

The Wembley bonus. - what is the point of targeting the JPT final if 90% of the money is going on players bonus? all your doing is risking injuries for no gain.

We need a good FA cup run, and a third round replay at the emirates, an away win with Armand scoring a hat trick, then Wenger to sign him for £1,000,000.

Tbh, this bonus culture is getting my goat. Yeah, they play well, they're on a good screw already. In future we need to cost in bonuses to wage budget at a more realistic level. The players need to know that too. Going to wembley should be a big enough bonus for anyone!!!! Bring on a chris waddle rant!!!

This post has been edited by Elton John 1866: 22 July 2014 - 04:06 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

fadedblue, on 22 July 2014 - 03:41 PM, said:

How long before DA tries for a gaming license to open a casino in the club? Said when he first came on board we would have a good banqueting suite with a mediocre football team. Not seeing much to change my opinion of late.

Mediocre football team? He said nothing of the sort- you have made that up

[fadedblue]

a kick in the balls, on 22 July 2014 - 04:07 PM, said:

Mediocre football team? He said nothing of the sort- you have made that up

Oops! Sorry. Should be "I said..........".

[Wooden Spoon]

fadedblue, on 22 July 2014 - 04:13 PM, said:

Oops! Sorry. Should be "I said..........".

[Eastander]

Phil V 72, on 22 July 2014 - 02:14 PM, said:

Optimistic forecasting is quite common in business, but many CEOs pay with their jobs if this becomes a year-on-year trend.

The theme I'm getting from the last few days is DA is putting his foot down and making a point, possibly sending Chris Turner out to take some flack --- punishment? It hasn't painted CT in a particularly flattering light, but that's the point of a CEO - to take those bullets from the outside world instead of the other employees of the business.

Given that attention has shifted from PC, it seems to have worked.

I would like to know one thing - who prepared the budget and who agreed that 7,000 attendances were to be put in the budget? What level of diligence was carried out on these figures?

I also think, despite the failure of TPATP, the club is onto something with summer concerts and should persevere - they just need more focus and drive to push the event - maybe a 2 or 3 month appointment of an events organiser whi is incentivised to fill the place.

Incidently I still think, when push comes to shove and the message has been received by those who messed up, that DA will fund some new signings before 31 August.

"It's no one's major mistake, it's just a fact! If you can't get an average of 7,000 every week when you're in the top three, then you have to re- group." (From CT's Statement today on yesterday's Statement by DA )
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Why would anyone budget for a substantially increased attendance figure, based on the top 3, when a game hasn't even been played and it's interesting to note that CT is now talking of 7500 - 8000 for this coming season ! - so on this year's calculation criteria 2015-16 will be a bare bones budget .
Again he states that the "Money from concerts was not enough" I was under the impression that money from concerts had always been earmarked for servicing the loans - so how come it has now affected and necessitated this 'trimming' of the budget - surely the disappointing concert revenue should have meant that less money than anticipated was paid back on the loans - having no bearing whatsover on the funds available for signings

What next ... A statement from DA about the statement from CT about the statement from DA ?

[Guest_freelander2_*]

dim view, on 22 July 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

Try not to sink to Fishini's level.
One big decision has gone wrong for DA - he got the concerts wrong - but these things happen. If he'd got them right, we might have had £300k or more, more income. It's important, as CT says to Karen of the Chesterfield Post, to give DA some TLC rather than being grumpy. He's astute enough to learn from these things.

Blowing hot air up DA's backside will not help CT's case.

I don't see how he can recover from this.

[Wooden Spoon]

We wont be spending money on loan players - we spent 300k on loan players in 2011 blah blah blah -




...............We will be looking at younger players from other clubs to enhance the squad, every club does it, Wallsall have done it for years........




Does that sound like we will be bringing loan players in then? And loan players we wont be paying much towards?




How on earth has Chris Turner gone from negotiating a deal with a player like Michael Higdon to taking youth team players on loan without much of a wage contribution in just 7 days?




You couldn't make it up!!!!!!!!

[Sammy Spireite]

Stents, on 22 July 2014 - 03:58 PM, said:

Isn't there a Casino inside Livingstones?

No.

And "Livo's Bar" as it most recently opened up as, is now shut again.

[Westbars Spireite]

Sammy Spireite, on 22 July 2014 - 09:49 PM, said:

No.

And "Livo's Bar" as it most recently opened up as, is now shut again.

The cheap, nasty sign and bad name were a clue it wasn't going to be around long.

[Wooden Spoon]

Elton John 1866, on 22 July 2014 - 04:05 PM, said:

Tbh, this bonus culture is getting my goat. Yeah, they play well, they're on a good screw already. In future we need to cost in bonuses to wage budget at a more realistic level. The players need to know that too. Going to wembley should be a big enough bonus for anyone!!!! Bring on a chris waddle rant!!!

I would rather have players wages based on bonus than a huge weekly wage regardless of what happens. It certainly encourages and motivates them.

[LuSiVe]

I hope they've got penalties written into their contracts for getting relegated

[Phil V 72]

a kick in the balls, on 23 July 2014 - 11:05 AM, said:

I would rather have players wages based on bonus than a huge weekly wage regardless of what happens. It certainly encourages and motivates them.

Having worked in both public and private sector, I've seen that performance related pay works very well indeed

[azul]

Phil V 72, on 23 July 2014 - 11:08 AM, said:

Having worked in both public and private sector, I've seen that performance related pay works very well indeed

Depends if the organisation can afford the eventual bonus payments. It appears we couldn't

In principle bonus/incentives are a good idea in football because it quite easy to implement and measure performance

As far as bonuses in the wider sector is concerned, I have rarely seen them work fairly in the industries I have worked in, because it is often difficult to measure individual productivity.

[dim view]

azul, on 23 July 2014 - 11:20 AM, said:

In principle bonus/incentives are a good idea in football because it quite easy to implement and measure performance....

....and because players' basic pay can be reduced so that they lose out if they don't do well and earn a bit more if they do.

No one can dispute that the idea worked so, again, I have no problem with them ending up in the red to implement it as it has now paved the way for much more income this year. I hesitate to say it caused us to go over budget. It didn't. It came out of the budgeted costs pot which is relatively easy to predict and manage at the start of the year. Unfortunately, the balancing income pot ended only half full because of a mistake by DA. That's a pot which is notoriously difficult to predict and manage to the end of the year.