[azul]

sophocles, on 17 November 2019 - 04:14 PM, said:

Apologies - I actually meant Fondop and Boden playing together - they don't seem to gel at all.

Things improved when Fondop came on yesterday, although I’d be the first to admit that had more to do with the other changes our plank off a manager made

How Sheridan came out with that crap is amazing - the most diabolical thing about yesterday was that starting line up. Only listened to 3 or 4.minutes of his rant but did he acknowledge any of his own mistakes he the end?

[Stoptalkingbol]

Fondop and Boden have about 15 between them this season, they have to start. Denton offers no threat, affects our style of play and we rarely create booting it long to him. When we have to play on the deck we look loads better as the last 25 showed yesterday and look threatening. It’s obvious what 3 have to start up top. The only 3 footballers in the whole squad.

[sophocles]

Denton and Boden have 15 between them, so your anti-Denton vendetta is illogical.

[bucko]

Denton wont play at Harrogate, as it's on the astroturf, so let's hope Fondop bags a goal or 2

[Stoptalkingbol]

It’s not a vendetta, if you can’t see he’s not even close to Boden and fondops level then your eyes must be painted on. Don’t know why you get so defensive about critical opinions? He’s a poor limited player with no goal threat at our level.

[dtp]

sophocles, on 17 November 2019 - 06:56 PM, said:

Denton and Boden have 15 between them, so your anti-Denton vendetta is illogical.

If you are talking about this season then I suggest you should invest in a new calculator.

[h again]

Stoptalkingbol, on 17 November 2019 - 07:37 PM, said:

It’s not a vendetta, if you can’t see he’s not even close to Boden and fondops level then your eyes must be painted on. Don’t know why you get so defensive about critical opinions? He’s a poor limited player with no goal threat at our level.

That he's a threat at our level was proven last season, so this season he gets marked and mauled out of the game, with the collusion yesterday of a referee who must be working to a different set of rules.
The other problem is that nobody else apart from Boden appeared yesterday to be interested in getting forward to receive the balls he flicks on. With Boden being the only other bloke up there, and closely marked into the bargain, Denton's job of heading on every ball with absolute pinpoint accuracy becomes impossible and the opposition clean up. He can't even head it out to the wide men, 'cos they aren't there.
Mind you, when the midfield do push forward as in the second half, it leaves us wide open at the back. Chorley tripled their away goals tally yesterday, which tells JS all he should need to know about his defence.

[dtp]

Stoptalkingbol, on 17 November 2019 - 06:39 PM, said:

Fondop and Boden have about 15 between them this season, they have to start. Denton offers no threat, affects our style of play and we rarely create booting it long to him. When we have to play on the deck we look loads better as the last 25 showed yesterday and look threatening. It’s obvious what 3 have to start up top. The only 3 footballers in the whole squad.

We don't always agree stb but I really don't understand why you pick up negatives for stating some truths.

[dtp]

h again, on 17 November 2019 - 08:12 PM, said:

That he's a threat at our level was proven last season, so this season he gets marked and mauled out of the game, with the collusion yesterday of a referee who must be working to a different set of rules.
The other problem is that nobody else apart from Boden appeared yesterday to be interested in getting forward to receive the balls he flicks on. With Boden being the only other bloke up there, and closely marked into the bargain, Denton's job of heading on every ball with absolute pinpoint accuracy becomes impossible and the opposition clean up. He can't even head it out to the wide men, 'cos they aren't there.
Mind you, when the midfield do push forward as in the second half, it leaves us wide open at the back. Chorley tripled their away goals tally yesterday, which tells JS all he should need to know about his defence.

Denton's a big lad playing a grown man's game and at his age he should have learned to deal with close attention. The problem is that he is so immobile he makes it easy for a defender to bully him as it's not as if they don't know where he is going to be.

Your statement about when the midfield push forward, as in the second half, it leaves us wide open at the back wasn't proved yesterday in my opinion. They were on the rack because we were pushing forward, Jalal hadn't had a save to make, and if it hadn't been for some inexplicable calamitous defending by Evans they wouldn't have scored. Whereas, when our midfield weren't pushing forward Chorley scored 2 goals and could have had at least one more.

[azul]

dtp, on 17 November 2019 - 08:26 PM, said:

Denton's a big lad playing a grown man's game and at his age he should have learned to deal with close attention. The problem is that he is so immobile he makes it easy for a defender to bully him as it's not as if they don't know where he is going to be.

Your statement about when the midfield push forward, as in the second half, it leaves us wide open at the back wasn't proved yesterday in my opinion. They were on the rack because we were pushing forward, Jalal hadn't had a save to make, and if it hadn't been for some inexplicable calamitous defending by Evans they wouldn't have scored. Whereas, when our midfield weren't pushing forward Chorley scored 2 goals and could have had at least one more.

Bluddy tablet - gave you a green by accident

[azul]

bucko, on 17 November 2019 - 07:08 PM, said:

Denton wont play at Harrogate, as it's on the astroturf, so let's hope Fondop bags a goal or 2

If Sheridan starts that same midfield and defence as he did yesterday it won’t matter what combination of Denton, Fondop or Boden plays.

Of course he won’t because he’ll realise what a cock-up he made even If he won’t admit it

Wholesale changes again no doubt and it probably won’t make any difference either

This post has been edited by azul: 17 November 2019 - 08:46 PM

[Stoptalkingbol]

h again, on 17 November 2019 - 08:12 PM, said:

That he's a threat at our level was proven last season, so this season he gets marked and mauled out of the game, with the collusion yesterday of a referee who must be working to a different set of rules.
The other problem is that nobody else apart from Boden appeared yesterday to be interested in getting forward to receive the balls he flicks on. With Boden being the only other bloke up there, and closely marked into the bargain, Denton's job of heading on every ball with absolute pinpoint accuracy becomes impossible and the opposition clean up. He can't even head it out to the wide men, 'cos they aren't there.
Mind you, when the midfield do push forward as in the second half, it leaves us wide open at the back. Chorley tripled their away goals tally yesterday, which tells JS all he should need to know about his defence.

Disagree, how many league goals did he get last season? Far too easy to mark out of a game. Play with a proper set up like we finished with and there’s no need for this ridiculous 1980s low percentage flick on rubbish.

Agree with the defence and makes no difference who plays there, same with midfield, they’re all useless.

[Stoptalkingbol]

dtp, on 17 November 2019 - 08:14 PM, said:

We don't always agree stb but I really don't understand why you pick up negatives for stating some truths.

Who knows, some get very defensive when you offer up some constructive criticism. It’s not personal, just blatantly obvious every single week.

[azul]

Stoptalkingbol, on 17 November 2019 - 08:53 PM, said:

Disagree, how many league goals did he get last season? Far too easy to mark out of a game. Play with a proper set up like we finished with and there’s no need for this ridiculous 1980s low percentage flick on rubbish.

Agree with the defence and makes no difference who plays there, same with midfield, they’re all useless.

There is no need for 80’s percentage stuff with Denton on the park. He’s more than capable of holding the ball up and passing it off accurately with his feet or head if he receives a decent pass.

I doubt it is his idea to boot the high diagonal balls out to the left hand side. That is one person and one person alone who thinks that is a good idea. The same person who thinks he can effectively run the channels.

The real issue isn’t with any of the three forwards.

[h again]

Stoptalkingbol, on 17 November 2019 - 08:53 PM, said:

Disagree, how many league goals did he get last season? Far too easy to mark out of a game. Play with a proper set up like we finished with and there’s no need for this ridiculous 1980s low percentage flick on rubbish.

Agree with the defence and makes no difference who plays there, same with midfield, they’re all useless.

At a guess I should think he's a 10 goal a season man, more with decent wingers, but that's not his main purpose, which is to win the ball for others, unsettle defences, and provide an outlet against a packed defence . Admittedly no teams yet have found it necessary to pack their defence when faced with our midfield operating from back in their own half, but that's not Denton's fault.
Limited player, with no pace, he undoubtedly is, but in this league he's a valuable member of the squad, and he certainly can't be said to be easy to mark out of games. He'll always win a good proportion of high balls, even when having his shirt removed, or being placed in a half-nelson like yesterday.

[h again]

dtp, on 17 November 2019 - 08:26 PM, said:

Denton's a big lad playing a grown man's game and at his age he should have learned to deal with close attention. The problem is that he is so immobile he makes it easy for a defender to bully him as it's not as if they don't know where he is going to be.

Your statement about when the midfield push forward, as in the second half, it leaves us wide open at the back wasn't proved yesterday in my opinion. They were on the rack because we were pushing forward, Jalal hadn't had a save to make, and if it hadn't been for some inexplicable calamitous defending by Evans they wouldn't have scored. Whereas, when our midfield weren't pushing forward Chorley scored 2 goals and could have had at least one more.

That's a strange argument. Denton isn't very good because he can't play whilst being fouled? If refs allowed Harry Kane to suffer the shirt-pulling, holding and outright wrestling that Denton gets every week he'd probably be paying at our level. On just a few occasions this season refs have given Denton some protection,and he's played well, but most haven't, and we've all seen with our own eyes what goes on.
Granted it's a man's game, and players have to be able to take some legitimately delivered hammerings, but there comes a time when the level of foul play must have its effect. Yesterday was a prime example.
I take your point about our conceding two of the goals whilst the midfield were hanging modestly about in their own half, but by the second half Chorley were just settling for defence of a decent lead and weren't really interested in going at us. Which is just as well, because the defence are never very far away from gifting the opposition goals at the best of times.

This post has been edited by h again: 17 November 2019 - 09:57 PM

[sophocles]

FAO Dtp - I have taken your advice and invested in a calculator. Strangely, Boden 10 goals, Denton 5 goals still adds up to a total of 15 between them.

[Stoptalkingbol]

azul, on 17 November 2019 - 09:07 PM, said:

There is no need for 80’s percentage stuff with Denton on the park. He’s more than capable of holding the ball up and passing it off accurately with his feet or head if he receives a decent pass.

I doubt it is his idea to boot the high diagonal balls out to the left hand side. That is one person and one person alone who thinks that is a good idea. The same person who thinks he can effectively run the channels.

The real issue isn’t with any of the three forwards.

Problem is if he does win these balls, he doesn’t have the legs to rejoin the attack. Some teams just let him have the header, back off and there’s only Boden to mark. It’s easy to defend against. It’s not the main problem obviously, but when we have that front 3 that finished we retain the ball more and take the pressure off the abysmal back line and midfield, instead of it coming straight back after yet another aimless punt up field.

[Stoptalkingbol]

sophocles, on 17 November 2019 - 10:10 PM, said:

FAO Dtp - I have taken your advice and invested in a calculator. Strangely, Boden 10 goals, Denton 5 goals still adds up to a total of 15 between them.

Who are his 5 goals against? Same with last season, a minimal return in the league, the majority scored against his own level teams in the trophy, the standard he’s a threat at.

[dim view]

h again, on 17 November 2019 - 09:30 PM, said:

Limited player, with no pace,

I thought there was an interesting contrast yesterday - on the one hand, the sight of a ponderous Denton looking out of his depth; and on the other one of the best displays I've seen for ages from a visiting striker - Vernham - who was quick, hungry, mobile. He reminded me of Vardy.