[lindave]

Rodney, on 05 November 2019 - 11:40 PM, said:

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This amazing academy that's produced err Jamie Hewitt and who else? Most end up going on loan several Pyramids below us and don't pull up any tree even then .Wouldn't be a loss at all imho.

not an Academy of such, but apart from Jamie Hewitt we've had some good youngsters come through the junior ranks.
The king Ernie Moss, Alan Stevenson, Les Hunter,Steve Hardwick, Gary Bellamy all came through.
Darwikwa and Bowery, Kev Davies (developed through us via the dee dahs) all brought in decent income.
McGuire, Rowley, Wakefield and Sharman are all currently in the 1st Team squad,,also Rawson and Levi out on loan could do a better job than McKay.

Didn't the young forward Russ go to Leicester last year.
Wish we still had the likes of Roberts, Thompson and Lancashire helping to coach the youngsters..I can never understand why we le
t the likes of Alan Young and Miquel Lira go.
We don't have a competitive reserve side so I would argue that we do need a junior set up especially now as we are not in the EFL anymore. I think that we lack a figure head since Smith and Lira left.

[lindave]

Spire-Power, on 06 November 2019 - 08:26 AM, said:

since we plunged the depths of football We've had young uns who have gone on to better things , 2 at Salford atm, but presumably not our products.

The biggest shame was the release of Jake Beesley, always gave 100% and scored goals. The Management and coaching staff spoilt his chances by playing him at fullback in a great deal of matches. He scored 20 odd for Bradford PA last season and has scored a few for Salford this year. He was not a billy big bllx sort of player like Hazel and German, both should have done a lot better but didn't put in enough effort for the shirt.

[60s 70s Spireite]

lindave, on 06 November 2019 - 10:19 AM, said:

The biggest shame was the release of Jake Beesley, always gave 100% and scored goals. The Management and coaching staff spoilt his chances by playing him at fullback in a great deal of matches. He scored 20 odd for Bradford PA last season and has scored a few for Salford this year. He was not a billy big bllx sort of player like Hazel and German, both should have done a lot better but didn't put in enough effort for the shirt.

Jake has been on loan at Solihull Moors since early October, scoring 2 goals, including the winner last night.

[lindave]

60s 70s Spireite, on 06 November 2019 - 11:35 AM, said:

Jake has been on loan at Solihull Moors since early October, scoring 2 goals, including the winner last night.

3 goals now, Jake was always one of my favourites, it will be interesting to see how he performs against us in the Christmas games.

[Blue5]

moondog, on 05 November 2019 - 09:43 PM, said:

Don't know but I understand it's a loss of around £150k

Unless I am mistaken, over the past few months there have been a number of vacancies advertised which relate to the academy. If it is losing that type of money, why are vacant positions being advertised and presumably filled?

[Blue5]

lindave, on 06 November 2019 - 10:14 AM, said:

not an Academy of such, but apart from Jamie Hewitt we've had some good youngsters come through the junior ranks.
The king Ernie Moss, Alan Stevenson, Les Hunter,Steve Hardwick, Gary Bellamy all came through.
Darwikwa and Bowery, Kev Davies (developed through us via the dee dahs) all brought in decent income.
McGuire, Rowley, Wakefield and Sharman are all currently in the 1st Team squad,,also Rawson and Levi out on loan could do a better job than McKay.

Didn't the young forward Russ go to Leicester last year.
Wish we still had the likes of Roberts, Thompson and Lancashire helping to coach the youngsters..I can never understand why we le
t the likes of Alan Young and Miquel Lira go.
We don't have a competitive reserve side so I would argue that we do need a junior set up especially now as we are not in the EFL anymore. I think that we lack a figure head since Smith and Lira left.

Did the club give any reason for Miguel's departure?

[lindave]

Blue5, on 06 November 2019 - 07:02 PM, said:

Did the club give any reason for Miguel's departure?

I didn't see anything.

[Charliefoxtrotcharlie]

I assume there are so many members of staff leaving the academy due to the staff either knowing it is going to be closing or at the very least, knowing it is highly likely.
It is nice to have an academy, to always have the hope of a local lad coming good and potentially making it big and in return making the club big money. Sadly, with our clubs finances being what they are, we cannot invest such money hoping for a success story.
The reality is that the best local talent is snapped up by the academies of United and derby, with Wednesday and Rotherham taking the next best and sadly, we take the leftovers.
Darikwa is the only youngster to have come through the youth team and been sold for decent money and even he was a product of the Notts county system, only joining us when released at about 16.
The harsh reality is, we could sign players of the same ability as maguire, rowley, etc at the drop of a hat, without spending a few hundred thousand a year on the academy to do so.

[lindave]

Charliefoxtrotcharlie, on 06 November 2019 - 08:47 PM, said:

I assume there are so many members of staff leaving the academy due to the staff either knowing it is going to be closing or at the very least, knowing it is highly likely.
It is nice to have an academy, to always have the hope of a local lad coming good and potentially making it big and in return making the club big money. Sadly, with our clubs finances being what they are, we cannot invest such money hoping for a success story.
The reality is that the best local talent is snapped up by the academies of United and derby, with Wednesday and Rotherham taking the next best and sadly, we take the leftovers.
Darikwa is the only youngster to have come through the youth team and been sold for decent money and even he was a product of the Notts county system, only joining us when released at about 16.
The harsh reality is, we could sign players of the same ability as maguire, rowley, etc at the drop of a hat, without spending a few hundred thousand a year on the academy to do so.

Bowery came through at the same time as Darwikwa and he went to Villa for decent money. Gary Bellamy went to Wolves.Stevo. went to Burnley.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

lindave, on 06 November 2019 - 10:04 PM, said:

Bowery came through at the same time as Darwikwa and he went to Villa for decent money. Gary Bellamy went to Wolves.Stevo. went to Burnley.

If Rowley and Maguire are any kind of bench mark we should have shut it years ago.

[Westbars Spireite]

Some real straws being clutched on here with players from the 60s being used as examples.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Even at Saltergate, with all the limitations faced back then, CFC was able to facilitate a youth set-up.

Okay, it may never have provided a production line of saleable talent, but at least it offered a pathway of sort and a link between club and community.

But now nine years after the stadium move that should've propelled the entire club to new and far more professional heights it looks like closing altogether.

Yet another sad inditement against the crass incompetence that's seen a once in a lifetime opportunity utterly squandered...

[Charliefoxtrotcharlie]

We’d be much better setting up a youth system starting from 16 yrs old, picking up lads released from the big clubs, late developers etc.
The money spent on funding the academy would be a much better investment if used to fund a proper scouting system of the lower leagues.
We’ve more chance of DA admitting he’s made lots of mistakes, that he’s a stubborn old so and so and writing off all debts than ever getting a deal like we got for Bowery, so that is no example at all.
A lot of lads / parents want to be involved in academies for egotistical reasons. Being involved at a non league club doesn’t offer that and many kids are now leaving to go back to grassroots football

[moondog]

We have a decent up and coming keeper in Kurtis England, been waiting patiently for his chance, played a blinder in the earlier game against Burton yet didn't keep the shirt. Instead Wharton gets 2 games in 3 days. Better managenent needed all around I reckon

[For your eyes only]

Cartman, on 05 November 2019 - 07:05 PM, said:

Amazing academy? How many youth players from said academy have become first team regulars over the last ten years or been sold for decent money?

Not many at all

If we aren’t going to get funding for it and therefore it would eat into the rest of the budget it makes sense to close it! Sadly, clubs at our level do not need an academy, any decent youngster would go to one of the bigger clubs in the areas academy anyway

You could say that about all the clubs in this area. Sheffield United have produced some fine quality players from their academy, yet such as Derby, Notts Forest, Notts County, Mansfield, Sheffield Wednesday, all those clubs have produced minimum players being sold onto higher and bigger clubs so should they shut their academy as well then? A lot of it is down not just to talent but development. If their training drops, isn’t consistent, isn’t of a decent quality, time isn’t put in, and they’re not happy through inept and inconsistent management and coaching then it’s the running of the academy that needs to change not be shut down.
There are young boys futures on the line here I doubt you and many others would be so dismissive if it was your son.

[Goku]

Yeah I'm really not comfortable with how happy people are at sacking the academy off tbh

[azul]

Charliefoxtrotcharlie, on 06 November 2019 - 11:44 PM, said:

We’d be much better setting up a youth system starting from 16 yrs old, picking up lads released from the big clubs, late developers etc.
The money spent on funding the academy would be a much better investment if used to fund a proper scouting system of the lower leagues.
We’ve more chance of DA admitting he’s made lots of mistakes, that he’s a stubborn old so and so and writing off all debts than ever getting a deal like we got for Bowery, so that is no example at all.
A lot of lads / parents want to be involved in academies for egotistical reasons. Being involved at a non league club doesn’t offer that and many kids are now leaving to go back to grassroots football

That makes sense

Isn’t that the path our few ‘home’ produced players took that actually made us a profit.

[calvin plummers socks]

Goku, on 07 November 2019 - 11:34 AM, said:

Yeah I'm really not comfortable with how happy people are at sacking the academy off tbh

It's really not fit for purpose though is it?
The idea of an academy is a route to first team football at the relevant club or to make future professionals. (Not provide jobs for coaches or admin staff).
As Town are now established semi-pro / non league and look like staying for a while whilst Sheridan is in the big office the Academy is an expensive luxury.

Certainly not justifiable in the current predicament.

[CFC91]

Goku, on 07 November 2019 - 11:34 AM, said:

Yeah I'm really not comfortable with how happy people are at sacking the academy off tbh

Would agree usually but the fact the produce of this academy just get d**ked by Glossop last night tells you all you need to know about the value they could generate

[azul]

CFC91, on 07 November 2019 - 01:06 PM, said:

Would agree usually but the fact the produce of this academy just get d**ked by Glossop last night tells you all you need to know about the value they could generate

This “ academy” side included 5 players Shezza signed (or re-signed) + 3 ex-academy deemed good enough to be squad members - not much academy in that lot

More questions posed about Sheridan’s recruitment than the academy in this instance

This post has been edited by azul: 07 November 2019 - 01:17 PM