[kh83]

Personally I will always listen to both sides of every story and respect other people’s beliefs and opinions. In the whole saga I have had some interesting chats with decent people on the remain side and appreciate the ones I know are very decent people. However, the behaviour of the remains political elite has been nothing short of disgraceful. When they realised they were losing the argument and the British people where rightfully not believing the bullshine they were trying to feed them, they resorted pathetic name calling and personal abuse. Ignorantly claiming; “if you don’t agree with us, you are racist or stupid” Bob Geldof and his millionaire chums, drinking Champaign whilst taking the urine out of and abusing hard working fisherman who were rightly protesting the way the EU has destroyed their industry and communities was outrageous but was also a reflection the whole referendum debate. I thought things couldn’t get any lower than that but then the remain leaning media and politicians used the murder off that poor lass to further their own political gain, insinuating that decent hard working people voting Brexit where to blame! Lowest of the low. Words can’t even describe how low that was…… Any decent human being would be ashamed to be part of group that is capable of this.
The tactics of the Brexit was questionable at times and like the remain some figures didn’t quite stack up… but that’s just politicians for you..
But even if Brexit would have lost, at least all Brexiters can hold their heads high and be proud that in the most, they respected the opposition, they didn’t stoop to the level of childish name calling, they didn’t try to scare pensioners or bully young people and they voted and argued a case for what they believe to be the best for their country and their people.
It would be nice if they could try to get some dignity back by being gracious in defeat but from looking on social media they seem to be carrying on with the immature and unacceptable abuse of people who dare to have a different opinion.

[Andy Spireite]

I don't think any side come out of this smelling of roses and, in fact, trust in politicians has nose dived yet again as a result.

The reaction on social media is symptomatic of the way the debate was carried out by the campaign teams, namely abusive, condescending, manipulating of facts and figures (I'll stop short of saying lying) and lacking any degree of class.

This post has been edited by Andy Spireite: 24 June 2016 - 04:09 PM

[Mr Mercury]

The shame of remain ..IE the higher ground lost, scenario.
Interviewing people in Hackney, a woman said she was ashamed of the country, she said she didn't understand why people had voted for out, and that people who voted for out didn't understand what they were doing. And added that she was.."highly educated"..
Well guess what love, I'm highly educated as well, and I totally understand the reasons the vote went the way it did.
Yet further evidence of the "I'm alright Jack" London bubble....
Thankgod it's been burst!

[mr. smith]

Mr Mercury, on 24 June 2016 - 08:50 PM, said:

The shame of remain ..IE the higher ground lost, scenario.
Interviewing people in Hackney, a woman said she was ashamed of the country, she said she didn't understand why people had voted for out, and that people who voted for out didn't understand what they were doing. And added that she was.."highly educated"..
Well guess what love, I'm highly educated as well, and I totally understand the reasons the vote went the way it did.
Yet further evidence of the "I'm alright Jack" London bubble....
Thankgod it's been burst!

& why was it?

[calvin plummers socks]

Mr Mercury, on 24 June 2016 - 08:50 PM, said:

The shame of remain ..IE the higher ground lost, scenario.
Interviewing people in Hackney, a woman said she was ashamed of the country, she said she didn't understand why people had voted for out, and that people who voted for out didn't understand what they were doing. And added that she was.."highly educated"..
Well guess what love, I'm highly educated as well, and I totally understand the reasons the vote went the way it did.
Yet further evidence of the "I'm alright Jack" London bubble....
Thankgod it's been burst!

London nonsense aside- what reasons made you vote Leave?

[Mr Mercury]

mr. smith, on 25 June 2016 - 12:07 AM, said:

& why was it?

Many reasons, health service at breaking point, schools full to the rafters, too many countries already members, or who want to join, who will contribute nothing and just take out, unelected people,making decisions. Not enough being done to stop mass movement of people some of whom are criminals, terrorists etc. Feelings in many parts of the country that that area has been forgotten by the powers that be with little or no infer structure investment. Etc etc.

[antony hawkins]

Anyone seen gary linnekers Twitter account , what an ********.

[Westbars Spireite]

Prawn Sandwich, on 25 June 2016 - 07:57 AM, said:

Anyone seen gary linnekers Twitter account , what an ********.

Guardian reading, English hating truth denier.

[calvin plummers socks]

Mr Mercury, on 25 June 2016 - 06:37 AM, said:

Many reasons, health service at breaking point, schools full to the rafters, too many countries already members, or who want to join, who will contribute nothing and just take out, unelected people,making decisions. Not enough being done to stop mass movement of people some of whom are criminals, terrorists etc. Feelings in many parts of the country that that area has been forgotten by the powers that be with little or no infer structure investment. Etc etc.

Which area are schools full to the rafters?

[Search & Destroy]

calvin plummers socks, on 25 June 2016 - 09:14 AM, said:

Which area are schools full to the rafters?

The macro economic argument didn't work when people were in twaddled micro economic situations. If they've got **** all, they've nothing to lose.

Places like Sunderland, voted 61/39 to leave, they don't have immigration as such but they have been shafted with zero investment by government after government and no one in the South or in Whitehall gives a stuff about them.

It takes 3 hrs 14 mins to travel from Sunderland to Manchester by train on a Monday morning.

Newcastle Leeds Manchester Liverpool are all vibrant young cities but the infrastructure is shocking, these cities should be rivalling London, Sheffield to Manchester is about 30 miles but to drive there you have to go over what is almost a mountain pass, winding roads through villages and its shut for snow half the winter.

But what do Whitehall do? Build HS2 when London to Birmingham is already well served.

London and the wealthy may feel shafted, but as I said, if you have nothing to start with you have nothing to lose.

[JonB]

But at the same time Sunderland potentially shot themselves in the foot when their biggest employer, Nissan, could leave taking 8000 jobs with them and indirectly its 40,000 jons affected.

Whilst I agree that links etc in the north are shocking how many folk realistically travel from Sunderland to Manchester on a regular basis.

This post has been edited by JonB: 25 June 2016 - 10:08 AM

[firedodger]

Mr Mercury, on 25 June 2016 - 06:37 AM, said:

Many reasons, health service at breaking point, schools full to the rafters, too many countries already members, or who want to join, who will contribute nothing and just take out, unelected people,making decisions. Not enough being done to stop mass movement of people some of whom are criminals, terrorists etc. Feelings in many parts of the country that that area has been forgotten by the powers that be with little or no infer structure investment. Etc etc.

Mate you have obviously done some thinking over it and have your reasons.
For me this wasn't just about in or out, this vote was the first step on the road towards boris (predictive text says 'virus' very prophetic) as PM, which I don't think a lot of exiters have even considered. If you didn't like Cameron, and you were worried about the nhs before, you just wait!
Johnson, Gove, May seem to be the front runners so far and there isn't a good one amongst them, but that's a direct result of the vote.

[Johnnyspireite7]

firedodger, on 25 June 2016 - 10:09 AM, said:

Mate you have obviously done some thinking over it and have your reasons.
For me this wasn't just about in or out, this vote was the first step on the road towards boris (predictive text says 'virus' very prophetic) as PM, which I don't think a lot of exiters have even considered. If you didn't like Cameron, and you were worried about the nhs before, you just wait!
Johnson, Gove, May seem to be the front runners so far and there isn't a good one amongst them, but that's a direct result of the vote.

And there's the rub, just hope that everyone is happy with the prospect of what they have done.

[Search & Destroy]

JonB, on 25 June 2016 - 10:08 AM, said:

But at the same time Sunderland potentially shot themselves in the foot when their biggest employer, Nissan, could leave taking 8000 jobs with them and indirectly its 40,000 jons affected.

Whilst I agree that links etc in the north are shocking how many folk realistically travel from Sunderland to Manchester on a regular basis.

Well, none obviously, it's not possible, it's just a point I'm making to show how these areas have been disregarded.
Leeds to Liverpool is 70 miles, up to 2 hours.
These Northern cities should be rivalling London, the trains are shocking, it's like the Robin Hood Line connecting these places.
But HS2 comes instead

As I said if you have sod all, you've sod all to lose.

[kopblue]

Johnnyspireite7, on 25 June 2016 - 10:27 AM, said:

And there's the rub, just hope that everyone is happy with the prospect of what they have done.

Already an online petition for a second referendum has 1million signatures,it's not under any bring Dave back banner though.

[calvin plummers socks]

Search and Destroy, on 25 June 2016 - 10:03 AM, said:

The macro economic argument didn't work when people were in twaddled micro economic situations. If they've got **** all, they've nothing to lose.

Places like Sunderland, voted 61/39 to leave, they don't have immigration as such but they have been shafted with zero investment by government after government and no one in the South or in Whitehall gives a stuff about them.

It takes 3 hrs 14 mins to travel from Sunderland to Manchester by train on a Monday morning.

Newcastle Leeds Manchester Liverpool are all vibrant young cities but the infrastructure is shocking, these cities should be rivalling London, Sheffield to Manchester is about 30 miles but to drive there you have to go over what is almost a mountain pass, winding roads through villages and its shut for snow half the winter.

But what do Whitehall do? Build HS2 when London to Birmingham is already well served.

London and the wealthy may feel shafted, but as I said, if you have nothing to start with you have nothing to lose.

London has properly been shafted (the real people of London that is)- shafted by bankers, rising house prices, Crosslink (which no one wants nor needs), HS2, the B****Y new green bridge (don't get me started).

The immigrants that also cause this are the Russian Oligarchs and Saudi's who buy up loads of London as an investment.

No council housing available thanks to Thatcher many years ago.

Areas with perceived big immigrants (Newham, Hackney, Tower Hamlets) actually are all undersubscribed at Primary School level and secondary at present.

Real London isn't thankfully the scared in Havering nor the wealthy socialists of Hampstead

[Middle East]

firedodger, on 25 June 2016 - 10:09 AM, said:

Mate you have obviously done some thinking over it and have your reasons.
For me this wasn't just about in or out, this vote was the first step on the road towards boris (predictive text says 'virus' very prophetic) as PM, which I don't think a lot of exiters have even considered. If you didn't like Cameron, and you were worried about the nhs before, you just wait!
Johnson, Gove, May seem to be the front runners so far and there isn't a good one amongst them, but that's a direct result of the vote.

Sorry mate I don't see that as a major consequence of the vote. Yes Boris is a complete toss pot but no more so than Dave and George have been!

Let's be honest if you are waiting for a 'good' Tory leader to come along you will live to be as old as Methuselah.....

This post has been edited by Middle East: 25 June 2016 - 12:32 PM

[mr. smith]

Middle East, on 25 June 2016 - 12:30 PM, said:

Sorry mate I don't see that as a major consequence of the vote. Yes Boris is a complete toss pot but no more so than Dave and George have been!

Let's be honest if you are waiting for a 'good' Tory leader to come along you will live to be as old as Methuselah.....

sadly I beg to differ.cameron is far more centre right tham Johnson. if it becomes PM Johnson god help us.

[Westbars Spireite]

I've just read some of the stuff on the Guardian website and I'm even more convinced we've done the right thing. Some absolutely embarrassing rubbish on there. If I hated my own country as much as some of them I'd live elsewhere.

This post has been edited by Westbars Spireite: 25 June 2016 - 12:46 PM

[Mr Mercury]

firedodger, on 25 June 2016 - 10:09 AM, said:

Mate you have obviously done some thinking over it and have your reasons.
For me this wasn't just about in or out, this vote was the first step on the road towards boris (predictive text says 'virus' very prophetic) as PM, which I don't think a lot of exiters have even considered. If you didn't like Cameron, and you were worried about the nhs before, you just wait!
Johnson, Gove, May seem to be the front runners so far and there isn't a good one amongst them, but that's a direct result of the vote.

Thanks for your considered reply, it was after all a free vote and people have many reasons to vote which way they do, nothing else.