[azul]

Phil V 72, on 27 November 2015 - 04:40 PM, said:

There are other benefits - they have a nice clubhouse with beer, chips and Sky TV, and the boy gets in for free as he plays for U12s.

Don't pubs do that and what are you watching on Sky? Not premiership football I hope after your sermon on the financial probity of football

[azul]

Phil V 72, on 27 November 2015 - 04:24 PM, said:

I've never understood why football has a special status whereby they are immune to the basis rules of economics. Maybe if they were more realistic there would be fewer running into difficulties.
I'd prefer Saunders to have a smaller budget, his signings don't inspire confidence.
I agree we're in transition but it's what we're transitioning into that worries me.
As for you brave souls watching regularly - 'doing the same things over and over again but expecting different results is the definition of madness' - probably sums up the average supporter

That would go down well on here, most are acusing DA flacking ambition and being a tight wad

[Phil V 72]

azul, on 27 November 2015 - 04:46 PM, said:

Don't pubs do that and what are you watching on Sky? Not premiership football I hope after your sermon on the financial probity of football

Sermon?

[Middle East]

Walton Spireite, on 27 November 2015 - 04:17 PM, said:

Yes I like a good wine!!

If you keep missing your h's they won't let you on peak again...

[h again]

lindave, on 26 November 2015 - 08:21 PM, said:

I can't blame anyone for taking the same action, but I couldn't / wouldn't contemplate missing any Town match if I could help it.The bulk of a struggling Club's dependance, is on fans attending matches giving both their finnancial and vocal backing. I know our big mate Tom Holland would love to have the opportunity to attend any match after his severe stroke( he's making a slow and steady progress). It's 8 weeks since he had the stroke and now he's eventually showing good signs of improvement he still has a very long way to go. We're not sure how much he can take in,but we keep him up to date with Blues news which he still seems to enjoy, especknows fans ask about him at the matches. I know if he was back to normal he would be saying "we'll be all rate", he was never negative about the club he loves and supported for nigh on 60 yrs.
We've had many dark days over the 50yrs I've supported the club, but I've never turned my back on the Team. Money is hard to come by these days, but I'd hope that those who truely care about the club, will still keep following the club through thick and thin. Like you say, most of us are attending games just for the social side of it, when we can meet up with our mates and since Tom's do,I think its even more important to meet up each Saturday / Tuesday have a laugh.It's not the same without him,but at least we can keep in the know when we've been to the match.

Great stuff. Hope he makes it OK to see us in the Championship. He's spot on - 'we'll be all rate'.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

a kick in the balls, on 26 November 2015 - 06:02 PM, said:

your right, there has been much worse, but has there ever been such a contrast between seasons?

Last seasons playing style and supporter optimism is unrecognisable from this season.

AND - its self inflicted by financial mismanagement, not by outside pressures such as ITV digital, or crooks raping the club.

That is why there is the current negativity in the fan base.

Excellent points.

Phil V 72, on 27 November 2015 - 11:12 AM, said:

I'm sorry, I'm not sure I follow the connection. It's like saying 'the owner of the local chippy produces terrible food, but he's put a lot of time and money into it so we'd better keep buying the stuff until he gets it right'

DA is a 'seller' - he has a product he wants people to buy. The fans are 'buyers', they expect a return for the money they are shelling out. Considerable sums, as it happens - match days are not cheap for 2/3 people going in a family group, for example.

It is encumbant on the club to turn out a product that justifies the ticket prices, irrespective of results. Everyone accepts that we won't play well every game, and there will be periods of poor form. However, steady progress, good signings and at least periods of good football are surely a pre-requisite, even if the results don't go our way.

Appointing an unpopular manager and the, quite frankly, startling regression on the pitch is not a good way to get more supporters through the gates. I fully support anyone who wishes to withdraw support, just as I fully support anyone who wishes to continue to attend.

More excellent points.

[azul]

Middle East, on 27 November 2015 - 05:08 PM, said:

If you keep missing your h's they won't let you on peak again...

Classic, but sadly they are desperate for anyone

[Waller is my hero]

Manchester German market is more of an appeal to me tomorrow, rather than sitting freezing cold bored off my tats!!

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Itchwagon, on 26 November 2015 - 09:47 PM, said:

azul, on 26 November 2015 - 08:20 PM, said:


I wish these dickless wonders would just not turn up, rather than telling us about it

It is almost like a fashion statement

Dear Azul, just to let you know that one of these season ticket "wonders" has not been since losing to Burton-now a season ticket at Leicester Tigers, where watching sport has again become a pleasurable thing to do, I'm the paying public who will choose to spend his money where he wants, not in your eyes some stupid fashion statement!

I think you have summed it up there and those that choose to spend it on watching town should be left to do just that. If people don't want to go fair enough.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

lindo-spireite, on 27 November 2015 - 07:36 AM, said:

Costs quite a whack to open the ground for the day. I'd imagine a sub 4k crowd (which it could be with a rubbish result Saturday) would mean a loss in money

The crowd on satdy doesn't matter as much as the result. If we can scrape through the potential money on offer from a plum third round draw could be a small fortune to a club of our size

[newboldsteve]

KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 27 November 2015 - 04:32 PM, said:

I suppose you could say that the reason chairmen feel that they can treat the club as a business, but criticise those supporters who choose to do the same is because they have an army of unquestioning drones who will part with their money without a whimper.

I've never called for a managers sacking at town. But this is the first one who's been given decent tools to do the job and who has made a total pigs ear of it.

what questions have you asked the club and what were the answers

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

newboldsteve, on 27 November 2015 - 07:57 PM, said:

what questions have you asked the club and what were the answers

I asked Uncle Dave what the meaning of life was.

He said it was 9.3. I'm going to the Last Football Ground on the edge of the Universe to see if he was having me on.

[newboldsteve]

KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 27 November 2015 - 08:08 PM, said:

I asked Uncle Dave what the meaning of life was.

He said it was 9.3. I'm going to the Last Football Ground on the edge of the Universe to see if he was having me on.

thought so just another keyboard warrior

[tomjoad]

spireitewolf, on 27 November 2015 - 07:58 AM, said:

Yep IF we win IF we draw top Premiership side at home lol

Like I said in the UNLIKELY event not IF!!

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

newboldsteve, on 27 November 2015 - 08:13 PM, said:

thought so just another keyboard warrior

I'm not sure your initial illiterate 'question' was worthy of much else.

How do you ask a football club a question? Is it addressed to the ground or companies house?

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

newboldsteve, on 27 November 2015 - 04:09 PM, said:

lol that the biggest load of crap you by a chippy to make money if the foods crap you don't go and the place shuts is that what your aiming for . footballs nothing like that, the teams going through a transitional period new manager come in and it takes time to gel to stamp his way in to the players so to speak . look at the end of the day we all suffer if people don't go because there will be a smaller budget next season p.s i'm not happy with the rubbish were are watching but I'm not going to cut my nose off to spite my face

In the dark days following the CFSS takeover, when a collection of former directors and ordinary fans saved CFC and performed minor miracles just to keep our club ticking over, I think there was a case for saying we should turn up and hand over our cash regardless of what was on the pitch.

It's thanks to folk doing exactly that we're even having this discussion.

However the arrival of DA was supposed to be a new start, not only meaning we'd never face such a scenario again but we'd compete at the top end of the third division or higher. What's more he made it clear his investment was no altruistic act as he planned to progress the Club both on and off the field before selling it at a profit - a real win-win for all concerned.

Since then the public of North Derbyshire have consistently filled the stands, seeing average attendances reach levels not enjoyed since the early Eighties, and ensured the C&B facilities turned a healthy profit. In short they've done their bit.

Now unfortunately decisions taken by Dave Allen, such as handing John Sheridan and his staff four year deals with no failure clauses or appointing a CEO with no business or financial acumen - as the man himself has apparently confessed, have seen losses mount and debts rise. The punters of the area, who've paid steadily rising prices, were and are blameless. Worse still people who'd committed their money in terms of a season ticket, despite the exit of a successful and popular manager, then witnessed key players sold and a man few if any wanted placed in the dug-out.

And here we are today with a sub-standard squad, sub-standard football, sub-standard results and a worryingly sub-standard league position. All despite what's been dubbed 'the Club's largest budget ever' by Turner.

'Transitional period'? 'Time to gel'? 'The Manager has to stamp his methods onto the players'? How often have we heard the same clichés when the bloke in charge simply isn't good enough.

In my opinion increasingly and legitimately concerned Town fans have every right to protest in whatever way they choose. But then others have every right to attend games, say nothing, or sing, clap and 'get behind them' if that's their choice. Just let's not turn this into 1999/2000 all over again, eh folks?

This post has been edited by MDCCCLXVI: 27 November 2015 - 09:23 PM

[newboldsteve]

KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 27 November 2015 - 09:07 PM, said:

I'm not sure your initial illiterate 'question' was worthy of much else.

How do you ask a football club a question? Is it addressed to the ground or companies house?

there are such things as email addresses the club have plenty of them

[azul]

MDCCCLXVI, on 27 November 2015 - 09:16 PM, said:

In the dark days following the CFSS takeover, when a collection of former directors and ordinary fans saved CFC and performed minor miracles just to keep our club ticking over, I think there was a case for saying we should turn up and hand over our cash regardless of what was on the pitch.

It's thanks to folk doing exactly that we're even having this discussion.

However the arrival of DA was supposed to be a new start, not only meaning we'd never face such a scenario again but we'd compete at the top end of the third division or higher. What's more he made it clear his investment was no altruistic act as he planned to progress the Club both on and off the field before selling it at a profit - a real win-win for all concerned.

Since then the public of North Derbyshire have consistently filled the stands, seeing average attendances reach levels not enjoyed since the early Eighties, and ensured the C&B facilities turned a healthy profit. In short they've done their bit.

Now unfortunately decisions taken by Dave Allen, such as handing John Sheridan and his staff four year deals with no failure clauses or appointing a CEO with no business or financial acumen - as the man himself has apparently confessed, have seen losses mount and debts rise. The punters of the area, who've paid steadily rising prices, were and are blameless. Worse still people who'd committed their money in terms of a season ticket, despite the exit of a successful and popular manager, then witnessed key players sold and a man few if any wanted placed in the dug-out.

And here we are today with a sub-standard squad, sub-standard football, sub-standard results and a worryingly sub-standard league position. All despite what's been dubbed 'the Club's largest budget ever' by Turner.

'Transitional period'? 'Time to gel'? 'The Manager has to stamp his methods onto the players'? How often have we heard the same clichés when the bloke in charge simply isn't good enough.

In my opinion increasingly and legitimately concerned Town fans have every right to protest in whatever way they choose. But then others have every right to attend games, say nothing, or sing, clap and 'get behind them' if that's their choice. Just let's not turn this into 1999/2000 all over again, eh folks?

Of course people have a right to attend games or not, however check out the title of the thread......

It reads "Vote With Your Feet" and that appears to be encouraging people not attend, like someone trying to start a campaign. Now if it said "I'm voting with my feet" it would be a different matter

I

[Spire-Power]

azul, on 27 November 2015 - 09:49 PM, said:

Of course people have a right to attend games or not, however check out the title of the thread......

It reads "Vote With Your Feet" and that appears to be encouraging people not attend, like someone trying to start a campaign. Now if it said "I'm voting with my feet" it would be a different matter

I

As far as I am aware MDC has not declared his form of protest against Saunders. It could be done in camera in a face to face meeting with members of the higher echelons at CFC, with whom he is familiar; it could be a part of a more public protest (Saunders Out chanting with banners and/or demo with placards in car park before and after tomorrow's game); it could be a more passive refusal to attend games that may have already been paid for by ST; or mere posturing on this forum. Whatever form of protest is taken I hope it will be effective.