[stevie_b]

turrhall, on 29 September 2021 - 01:35 PM, said:

We aren't going to agree on trans women being women and vice versa, you're right, but I do understand your concerns, even if I disagree. I do think men present a great threat to women, the fact that 90% of murders are perpetrated by men attests to that (I'm not sure on the %s for physical or sexual assaults, but I'm sure they are also comparably high) so single-sex spaces should remain ofc - but the crux of the argument clearly comes down to us fundamentally disagreeing on the changing of gender. There's no way we can actually agree on anything if we're in opposition on that.

I believe that the murder rate is worse for women than trans people in England and Wales - 1 in 160,000 vs 1 in 200,000-500,000, but as no-one actually knows how many trans people there are in this country, and there's sometimes no method of recording those murdered as trans, this could be higher.

Domestic abuse rates are higher for trans people than women though (30-50% vs 7.5%), as is homelessness (25% vs 14%).

48% of trans people have attempted suicide at some point, vs 8% of women.

"And yep, it doesn't make me more right. But then ... your views don't make you more right either. Do they?" - no, that's what I was getting at, we both have our thoughts on this. I'm no more right for the same reasons.

"I've answered your questions. Could you do me the courtesy of answering mine about the rights of my Muslim and Jewish sisters? Please." - I have, trans women are women.

OK thanks for answering that. I think you did say that earlier and I missed it. However, you can pretty much put your pension on the fact that the Muslim and Jewish communities do not, in general, agree that transwomen are women.

Anyway, we're not talking about men's and women's spaces are we? We're talking about SINGLE SEX spaces. My toilets are for female people only; that includes women and transmen (who are natal females). It does not include transwomen, who are male.

Do you actually believe that a male can become female, ie actually change their sex, rather than just their 'gender identity'? If so, what medical evidence do you have to support that?

This post has been edited by stevie_b: 29 September 2021 - 02:24 PM

[stevie_b]

"Yes, sex offenders are, generally, going to try and commit sex offenses - the vast majority of trans people are not sex criminals though"

Course they're not. Neither's my Dad, my best mate and Radders on here who I do like to go out for dinner with now and then However, I do not want any of them in my changing rooms. When I'm vulnerable and undressed I wish to be round females.

If transwomen are having problems in the male changing rooms, then perhaps we should address why. Just because they're uncomfortable there doesn't mean I have to shove up and let them in to my spaces.

[stevie_b]

Search and Destroy, on 29 September 2021 - 01:32 PM, said:

Fantastic, bloke telling women who they should be using toilets and safe single sex spaces with

To be fair, I don't know what sex Turhall is. There are plenty of women who buy into the "transwomen are women" mantra too. Plenty of women champing at the bit to sell their sisters down the river.

It's very often younger people, who are taught about gender ideology at school. I've been around a year or two and I know what's coming for these women and girls. Whether they think they need it or not, I absolutely will continue the fight on their behalf; trust me, they'll need it one day

[stevie_b]

turrhall, on 29 September 2021 - 01:35 PM, said:

We aren't going to agree on trans women being women and vice versa, you're right, but I do understand your concerns, even if I disagree. I do think men present a great threat to women, the fact that 90% of murders are perpetrated by men attests to that (I'm not sure on the %s for physical or sexual assaults, but I'm sure they are also comparably high) so single-sex spaces should remain ofc - but the crux of the argument clearly comes down to us fundamentally disagreeing on the changing of gender. There's no way we can actually agree on anything if we're in opposition on that.

I believe that the murder rate is worse for women than trans people in England and Wales - 1 in 160,000 vs 1 in 200,000-500,000, but as no-one actually knows how many trans people there are in this country, and there's sometimes no method of recording those murdered as trans, this could be higher.

Domestic abuse rates are higher for trans people than women though (30-50% vs 7.5%), as is homelessness (25% vs 14%).

48% of trans people have attempted suicide at some point, vs 8% of women.

"And yep, it doesn't make me more right. But then ... your views don't make you more right either. Do they?" - no, that's what I was getting at, we both have our thoughts on this. I'm no more right for the same reasons.

"I've answered your questions. Could you do me the courtesy of answering mine about the rights of my Muslim and Jewish sisters? Please." - I have, trans women are women.

[stevie_b]

"48% of trans people have attempted suicide at some point, vs 8% of women."


Yeah but 48% of f**k all is f**k all. 8% of over half the population is not inconsiderable.

[Search & Destroy]

No ones saying these few people don’t have issues



But rewriting society for them seems a little extreme

[stevie_b]

Search and Destroy, on 29 September 2021 - 02:55 PM, said:

No ones saying these few people don’t have issues



But rewriting society for them seems a little extreme

It seems an awful lot extreme to me. Challenging medical fact and trampling all over the rights of women and religious groups, to name but two, merely to appease the shouty loud voices of men who, for a myriad of reasons, think they're women.

[Westbars Spireite]

If men want to dress up as women that's fine. It doesn't make them women any more than dressing up as Spiderman makes them a superhero.

[spireitetoo]

Westbars Spireite, on 29 September 2021 - 04:04 PM, said:

If men want to dress up as women that's fine. It doesn't make them women any more than dressing up as Spiderman makes them a superhero.

Damn, that's why I can't stick to the ceiling.

[Wooden Spoon]

turrhall, on 29 September 2021 - 01:35 PM, said:

We aren't going to agree on trans women being women and vice versa, you're right, but I do understand your concerns, even if I disagree. I do think men present a great threat to women, the fact that 90% of murders are perpetrated by men attests to that (I'm not sure on the %s for physical or sexual assaults, but I'm sure they are also comparably high) so single-sex spaces should remain ofc - but the crux of the argument clearly comes down to us fundamentally disagreeing on the changing of gender. There's no way we can actually agree on anything if we're in opposition on that.

I believe that the murder rate is worse for women than trans people in England and Wales - 1 in 160,000 vs 1 in 200,000-500,000, but as no-one actually knows how many trans people there are in this country, and there's sometimes no method of recording those murdered as trans, this could be higher.

Domestic abuse rates are higher for trans people than women though (30-50% vs 7.5%), as is homelessness (25% vs 14%).

48% of trans people have attempted suicide at some point, vs 8% of women.

"And yep, it doesn't make me more right. But then ... your views don't make you more right either. Do they?" - no, that's what I was getting at, we both have our thoughts on this. I'm no more right for the same reasons.

"I've answered your questions. Could you do me the courtesy of answering mine about the rights of my Muslim and Jewish sisters? Please." - I have, trans women are women.

Your not concerned that a man in a dress can walk into a women’s changing room just coz he says hey, I’m a girl. That is giving a green light to all sorts of perverts and filth to wear a frock and call themselves women so they can letch at women




Id wager there are just as many probably more peados and filth as there are trans. And I’m pretty sure where are protections and priorities should lie.


Id say with some certainty there are many more rape victims than there are trans. Would these poor girls be happy with a bloke in a frock watching them get undressed in a swimming pools changing rooms?




You don’t see a difference between a biology woman and a man who identifies as a woman? Really?



This isn’t about trans. Honestly I really couldn’t give two hoots about the trans thing. If that’s who you are, and I don’t doubt your % about suicide rates - it must be tough, a real mental crisis for some. Then that’s who you are. Water a frock. Wear hob nail boots. Have your bits chopped off itf that’s what you want. I don’t care. But don’t expect “self identification” to take priority over a biological women’s rights and privacy


But come on….a man can have a cervix? Bin women’s rights and safe space, pretty much 50% of the population in favour of 0.01% of the population (or whatever it is) and all the dangers yourbopening up?

This post has been edited by Wooden Spoon: 30 September 2021 - 01:04 AM

[Phil V 72]

Wooden Spoon, on 30 September 2021 - 01:00 AM, said:

Your not concerned that a man in a dress can walk into a women’s changing room just coz he says hey, I’m a girl. That is giving a green light to all sorts of perverts and filth to wear a frock and call themselves women so they can letch at women




Id wager there are just as many probably more peados and filth as there are trans. And I’m pretty sure where are protections and priorities should lie.


Id say with some certainty there are many more rape victims than there are trans. Would these poor girls be happy with a bloke in a frock watching them get undressed in a swimming pools changing rooms?




You don’t see a difference between a biology woman and a man who identifies as a woman? Really?



This isn’t about trans. Honestly I really couldn’t give two hoots about the trans thing. If that’s who you are, and I don’t doubt your % about suicide rates - it must be tough, a real mental crisis for some. Then that’s who you are. Water a frock. Wear hob nail boots. Have your bits chopped off itf that’s what you want. I don’t care. But don’t expect “self identification” to take priority over a biological women’s rights and privacy


But come on….a man can have a cervix? Bin women’s rights and safe space, pretty much 50% of the population in favour of 0.01% of the population (or whatever it is) an be d all the dangers yourbopening up?

The b*****d who killed Sarah Everard used lockdown rules as a pretext to detain her, which shows predators will use any opportunity available to them to get access to their victims. Weakening safeguarding protections will have real life consequences.

[Search & Destroy]

In the light of last years BLM/Slave trade/Statue protests Harringay Council decided to change the name of residential street “Black Boy Lane”

Estimated cost of just this one street?

£186000 from the tax payers

[Misnomer]

Search and Destroy, on 07 October 2021 - 07:59 AM, said:

In the light of last years BLM/Slave trade/Statue protests Harringay Council decided to change the name of residential street “Black Boy Lane”

Estimated cost of just this one street?

£186000 from the tax payers

And that's Harringay

Or Haringey. I used to live there and loved it.

However, the council have always been bonkers and inept, so your story really doesn't surprise me.

https://www.onlondon...son-was-purged/

[Wooden Spoon]

Search and Destroy, on 07 October 2021 - 07:59 AM, said:

In the light of last years BLM/Slave trade/Statue protests Harringay Council decided to change the name of residential street “Black Boy Lane”

Estimated cost of just this one street?

£186000 from the tax payers

Is that true?

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Search and Destroy, on 07 October 2021 - 07:59 AM, said:

In the light of last years BLM/Slave trade/Statue protests Harringay Council decided to change the name of residential street “Black Boy Lane”

Estimated cost of just this one street?

£186000 from the tax payers

Wow.

And if that much taxpayers money being blown gets your knickers into knots, the tens of billions of covid cash to tory cronies must make you ab-so-lute-ly mental!

[calvin plummers socks]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 08 October 2021 - 03:18 PM, said:

Wow.

And if that much taxpayers money being blown gets your knickers into knots, the tens of billions of covid cash to tory cronies must make you ab-so-lute-ly mental!

It’s also complete snowflake BS as well as it has cost £11,000 to the Council not what S&D is fabricating

[Search & Destroy]

https://www.google.c...don-street.html

[Search & Destroy]

This trans stuff is way over represented in the scale of things

https://www.telegrap...ic-environment/

This post has been edited by Search and Destroy: 29 October 2021 - 02:08 PM

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

https://www.msn.com/...g?ocid=msedgntp

'The other culture war lowlights of 2021 crashed and burned because time and again the government and its fellow travellers chose the wrong targets. It takes a special level of hubris for politicians, members of what is repeatedly voted the least trusted profession, to pick a fight with the England football team, superstars with millions of fans and Twitter followers, led by a manager who, according to one survey, has a popularity rating higher not just than both party leaders but even Winston Churchill.

It takes a special level of hubris for politicians to pick a fight with the England football team

This summer, while most people in England were watching the Euros with hearts in mouths and fingers crossed, the government’s culture warriors were watching in sweaty-palmed horror, as the team whose anti-racist stance they had derided at the start of the tournament kept winning and growing in esteem. This led to the ludicrous pantomime of politicians dispatching their aides to the shops to buy replica England jerseys for last-minute photo-ops in which they expressed their support for players whom weeks earlier they had accused of “gesture politics”.'