[fishini]

Thoughts on the Junior Doctors having new contracts forced on them?

[oldgoat]

i've been nursing nearly 30 years and had various contact changes and 2 pension changes imposed without much media interest , it appears to be more important and of much more interest when it involves doctors .

This post has been edited by oldgoat: 11 February 2016 - 07:24 PM

[Search & Destroy]

oldgoat, on 11 February 2016 - 07:23 PM, said:

i've been nursing nearly 30 years and had various contact changes and 2 pension changes imposed without much media interest , it appears to be more important and of much more interest when it involves doctors .

I want them to explain why getting paid more on a Saturday improves patients safety

[dallyduncan]

fishini, on 11 February 2016 - 07:10 PM, said:

Thoughts on the Junior Doctors having new contracts forced on them?

This is the start for the government to dismantle the NHS

[longeatonspireite]

Nothing to do with pay. Pay is just a smoke screen.

[Bonnyman]

Some ignorant responses typical of this countries race to the bottom,this government want you to work more and get less,we should be fully supportive of highly trained highly skilled doctors getting what they deserve not sticking up for some tory scum who wants to impose conditions on people.

[Bonnyman]

oldgoat, on 11 February 2016 - 07:23 PM, said:

i've been nursing nearly 30 years and had various contact changes and 2 pension changes imposed without much media interest , it appears to be more important and of much more interest when it involves doctors .

Should have walked out then,didums I'm not getting owt so why should they attitude that's killing the country

[Middle East]

Bonnyman, on 12 February 2016 - 08:52 PM, said:

Some ignorant responses typical of this countries race to the bottom,this government want you to work more and get less,we should be fully supportive of highly trained highly skilled doctors getting what they deserve not sticking up for some tory scum who wants to impose conditions on people.

As a vastly overworked and vastly under paid public sector worker I agree with all of this 100% but regarding your second post please don't deride oldgoat because as a fellow low paid public servant both he you and I are in the same boat!

I don't believe senior civil servants deserve the inflated pay rises they receive and nor do any of my colleagues when we haven't had anything for 5 years and that's the same scenario....but if we all said diddums and walked away where would the country be?

6 years ago everyone said the public sector needed pay restraint to match the pain being felt by the private sector (despite us already being paid less) and boy did the Tories make us have it! but now the private sector are back getting 5% pay rises and we have magnanimously been awarded 1% for 4 years I'm sure the sympathy of those who bitched about us will now flow our way and we will get parity!

but don't hold your breath!

Now is not the time for the public sector workers to quibble with each other, now is the time to unite and ensure we get all get pay in line with our effort. The stumbling block to that ever happening is this government....

This post has been edited by Middle East: 12 February 2016 - 09:45 PM

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Middle East, on 12 February 2016 - 09:15 PM, said:

As a vastly overworked and vastly under paid public sector worker I agree with all of this 100% but regarding your second post please don't deride oldgoat because as a fellow low paid public servant both he you and I are in the same boat!

I don't believe senior civil servants deserve the inflated pay rises they receive and nor do any of my colleagues when we haven't had anything for 5 years and that's the same scenario....but if we all said diddums and walked away where would the country be?

6 years ago everyone said the public sector needed pay restraint to match the pain being felt by the private sector (despite us already being paid less) and boy did the Tories make us have it! but now the private sector are back getting 5% pay rises and we have magnanimously been awarded 1% for 4 years I'm sure the sympathy of those who bitched about us will now flow our way and we will get parity!

but don't hold your breath!

Now is not the time for the public sector workers to quibble with each other, now is the time to unite and ensure we get all get pay in line with our effort. The stumbling block to that ever happening is this government....

Can't you remember all the doctors supporting you when your terms, conditions of employment and pension was being changed. I'm sure they were marching the streets. Fact is everyone s bothered about their own interests and few other than in words do anything other than give vocal support and say how bad it is. Many can't afford to do anything else.

[Middle East]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 12 February 2016 - 09:54 PM, said:

Can't you remember all the doctors supporting you when your terms, conditions of employment and pension was being changed. I'm sure they were marching the streets. Fact is everyone s bothered about their own interests and few other than in words do anything other than give vocal support and say how bad it is. Many can't afford to do anything else.

Ernie, doctors, nurses, firemen, police will always generally get more public sympathy because they are what people see on a daily basis...

Our areas never will get sympathy because we aren't popular, but just just because that's the case doesn't mean I don't agree that better off public servants don't deserve improved T&Cs....We all do!

That said I also totally agree with yours and oldgoats point that the lower paid public servants definitely deserve more recognition.......but that's probably because I'm one them!

This post has been edited by Middle East: 12 February 2016 - 10:35 PM

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Middle East, on 12 February 2016 - 10:28 PM, said:

Ernie, doctors, nurses, firemen, police will always generally get more public sympathy because they are what people see on a daily basis...

Our areas never will get sympathy because we aren't popular, but just just because that's the case doesn't mean I don't agree that better off public servants don't deserve improved T&Cs....We all do!

That said I also totally agree with yours and oldgoats point that the lowest paid public servants definitely deserve more recognition.......but that's probably because we are them!

I don't think that's me lol

[Middle East]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 12 February 2016 - 10:34 PM, said:

I don't think that's me lol

Your round next time then...

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Middle East, on 12 February 2016 - 10:35 PM, said:

Your round next time then...

I just assumed your pockets where sewn up lol

[Middle East]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 12 February 2016 - 10:37 PM, said:

I just assumed your pockets where sewn up lol

They are mate !Two blokes called Cameron & Obsourne have stitched them up....

This post has been edited by Middle East: 12 February 2016 - 11:08 PM

[oldgoat]

Bonnyman, on 12 February 2016 - 08:54 PM, said:

Should have walked out then,didums I'm not getting owt so why should they attitude that's killing the country

i was only making an observation , it appears to be you who has the attitude problem / issue ?

[Middle East]

Dema Reborn, on 12 February 2016 - 10:37 PM, said:

My wife went down pits to support the miners when they were on strike....

Good work.... but wouldn't she l have been better off on a picket line rather than down pits?

This post has been edited by Middle East: 12 February 2016 - 11:08 PM

[Middle East]

Dema Reborn, on 12 February 2016 - 11:25 PM, said:

Probably should have said during the strike it was to show support...

Just teasing Dema!

As I said fair play to her but unfortunately public sector workers (nurses aside) rarely get any public support and the government know this, know it won't affect votes and thereby get free reign to s..t all over us!

As the junior doctors have just found out....

This post has been edited by Middle East: 12 February 2016 - 11:36 PM