[Phil V 72]

If CFC had the opportunity to sign Roy Carroll, or a Goalie of his ilk, would you ?

[Sabreman]

As much as I rate Tommy at this level he isn't in the same class as Roy Carroll or 99% of other goalkeepers who have applied their trade in the premiership so yes. I am not going to slate Tommy but he is not premiership class nor will he ever be, he isn't even championship class at the moment. In my opinion he is way out of form and low in confidence, the good work Crossley did has seemingly been forgotten.
We need a keeper who is going to command his box, at the moment Tommy isn't doing it, we have several players who have raised the bar this season Tommy isn't one of them.

[Westbars Spireite]

If we can improve then it's always a yes.

[Mr Mercury]

Sabreman, on 29 September 2014 - 03:44 PM, said:

As much as I rate Tommy at this level he isn't in the same class as Roy Carroll or 99% of other goalkeepers who have applied their trade in the premiership so yes. I am not going to slate Tommy but he is not premiership class nor will he ever be, he isn't even championship class at the moment. In my opinion he is way out of form and low in confidence, the good work Crossley did has seemingly been forgotten.
We need a keeper who is going to command his box, at the moment Tommy isn't doing it, we have several players who have raised the bar this season Tommy isn't one of them.

I think we sometimes underestimate the ability of sportsmen and women who reach the top of their chosen game..for example prior to Carolls performance Saturday I was saying even when he was good he was Shiite ! Silly me eh

[spireitetoo]

Its not until you sign a player of his ilk that you find out if he has still got it....we did supreme in jack....and failed with boa morte......for me I think I will stick with cookies young up and comin with potential....as apose to the tried and now (maybe) tired gamble.

[metallilad]

Definitely. But it's not just Tommy I would swap.
If we could get somebody like Charlie Austin in for Doyle, Carrick in for Morsey it doesn't really make any difference who it is as long as they bring something to the table.

[Phil V 72]

I suppose we gambled to an extent with Evatt and came up trumps.

I thought Carroll was the best Goalie I've seen up here for a while, really stood out.

Much as I love Tommy, a goalie capable of playing at a higher level would add so much more composure to the defence.

[Waller is my hero]

Phil V 72, on 29 September 2014 - 03:33 PM, said:

If CFC had the opportunity to sign Roy Carroll, or a Goalie of his ilk, would you ?

Well I said it before the season started, someone who I know very well & a good friend...who has lots of Premiership experience had his agent approach CFC & wasn't interested...even though he was happy to be second choice & wanted ****** all! Strange!! &, not just because he is a mate, but think he would have been an excellent No 2 (even if he has a dodgy knee)

Phil V 72, on 29 September 2014 - 04:03 PM, said:

I suppose we gambled to an extent with Evatt and came up trumps.

I thought Carroll was the best Goalie I've seen up here for a while, really stood out.

Much as I love Tommy, a goalie capable of playing at a higher level would add so much more composure to the defence.

Totally agree

This post has been edited by Waller is my hero: 29 September 2014 - 04:21 PM

[dim view]

Phil V 72, on 29 September 2014 - 04:03 PM, said:

I suppose we gambled to an extent with Evatt and came up trumps.

I thought Carroll was the best Goalie I've seen up here for a while, really stood out.

Much as I love Tommy, a goalie capable of playing at a higher level would add so much more composure to the defence.

Tommy is just as capable as Carroll of having a stormer. The assessment has to include Carroll's management of the people in front of him. I saw no particular evidence of them being any more or less shambolic than us. Great goalies make life easy for themselves by ruthlessly managing the unit - like Norm used to. The best one I've seen at the Proact is Hamer. I hope Tommy is just a couple of clean sheets away from finding the confidence to push on to the new level.

With the full side back playing, PC will have to do summat if we continue shipping poor goals in otherwise it could ruin a potentially great season.

[Waller is my hero]

dim view, on 29 September 2014 - 04:22 PM, said:

Tommy is just as capable as Carroll of having a stormer. The assessment has to include Carroll's management of the people in front of him. I saw no particular evidence of them being any more or less shambolic than us. Great goalies make life easy for themselves by ruthlessly managing the unit - like Norm used to. The best one I've seen at the Proact is Hamer. I hope Tommy is just a couple of clean sheets away from finding the confidence to push on to the new level.

With the full side back playing, PC will have to do summat if we continue shipping poor goals in otherwise it could ruin a potentially great season.

Once the stability comes back into our defence the better - Over the past few seasons our back four has always been same, same........having so many disruptions at the back hasn't helped...especially after the injury to Hird

[Westbars Spireite]

I'm sure Carroll doesn't play so well every week.

[60s 70s Spireite]

Westbars Spireite, on 29 September 2014 - 04:29 PM, said:

I'm sure Carroll doesn't play so well every week.

Carroll conceding only one goal was helped by a number of defenders doing their job well; header of the line, some great blocks and a fair bit of luck on their side.

[deano-cfc]

Westbars Spireite, on 29 September 2014 - 04:29 PM, said:

I'm sure Carroll doesn't play so well every week.

My thoughts exactly, and I wonder how many other teams have said similar about Tommy Lee when he has been seemingly unbeatable. ?? At this level I think we have got a great keeper, Carroll was brilliant sat. bet he is costing a bob or two.

[Wooden Spoon]

Phil V 72, on 29 September 2014 - 03:33 PM, said:

If CFC had the opportunity to sign Roy Carroll, or a Goalie of his ilk, would you ?

Brian Clough used to say a top class keeper is worth 10 points a season

[azul]

Phil V 72, on 29 September 2014 - 03:33 PM, said:

If CFC had the opportunity to sign Roy Carroll, or a Goalie of his ilk, would you ?

Definitely, it wasn't just the saves he made as some were regulation. It was the way he reacted under an intense bombardment.

[Walton Spireite]

Phil V 72, on 29 September 2014 - 03:33 PM, said:

If CFC had the opportunity to sign Roy Carroll, or a Goalie of his ilk, would you ?

Yes I think Lee is over rated. Good reflex saves but terrible on crosses. Been poor this season and needs to raise his game.

[firedodger]

Westbars Spireite, on 29 September 2014 - 04:29 PM, said:

I'm sure Carroll doesn't play so well every week.

Exactly, as good as he was on Saturday he is playing in the third tier of English football for a reason, it's most likely those games don't happen very often. Carroll is a keeper who has peaked, a while ago.
We were having similar discussions about tony roberts a few seasons ago weren't we?

[Spireite-Karl]

deano-cfc, on 29 September 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

My thoughts exactly, and I wonder how many other teams have said similar about Tommy Lee when he has been seemingly unbeatable. ?? At this level I think we have got a great keeper, Carroll was brilliant sat. bet he is costing a bob or two.

Tommy didn't have the best of seasons last term either. He's okay for this level and we have a decent enough keeper, but he's certainly not the keeper many think he is. This is Tommy's level and best outside the prem is just nonsense. Glad we've got him? Damn right I am (especially if he can find his best form again), but I'm also very realistic & honest with my assessments.

[longeatonspireite]

firedodger, on 29 September 2014 - 06:38 PM, said:

Exactly, as good as he was on Saturday he is playing in the third tier of English football for a reason, it's most likely those games don't happen very often. Carroll is a keeper who has peaked, a while ago.
We were having similar discussions about tony roberts a few seasons ago weren't we?

Like 52 hours ago

[firedodger]

longeatonspireite, on 29 September 2014 - 06:54 PM, said:

Like 52 hours ago

The test is does he do it week in week out