[firedodger]

mattthespireite, on 03 October 2014 - 11:01 PM, said:

In some ways I would say they are pretty much even. Let's say a guy is wrongly convicted of rape. His life will probably never be the same again.
Imprisoned for a good spell
On the "nonce's' wing in prison with some of the most vilest men in the country.
Open for attack whilst in prison
His family will no doubt suffer

Then he gets released

On the sex offenders register for god knows how long.
Restrictions imposed on him.
Being known as a rapest.

I could go on but now I have put it in some kind of perspective for you I wonder if you now believe a woman who has lied deserves a suitable punishment?

I ain't ashamed to admit that I have been arrested for rape simply because I was innocent. Luckily certain evidence was sourced and after 6 months on bail the case was dropped. Nothing happened to the accuser and I find that hard to digest. My life could have been over and for this reason I believe these women should face severe sentencing. So yeah....maybe I do have issues. I will always be suspicious of women who claim to have been raped where the evidence seems scarce. In Evans' case I see this and most folk on here slating him and feel it's unjust because of how little evidence there was.
Sorry but I just had to get it off my chest.

And for everyone in your situation I'm sure there is at least one girl or woman who hasn't reported an incident because they were very drunk, or they are now too ashamed or any number of reasons. One such instance I know of the woman woke up in the morning knowing things weren't right (yes she had passed out drunk the night before) and when she confronted the other person and asked him what had happened all he said to her was 'let's put it this way, I'd go and get a morning after pill if I were you' she never took it any further, too scared, didn't want the stigma, didn't see what it could achieve, whatever the reason.
She was raped and I'm sure there are many other women out there who haven't reported something.

[Goku]

firedodger, on 09 October 2014 - 01:31 PM, said:

And for everyone in your situation I'm sure there is at least one girl or woman who hasn't reported an incident because they were very drunk, or they are now too ashamed or any number of reasons. One such instance I know of the woman woke up in the morning knowing things weren't right (yes she had passed out drunk the night before) and when she confronted the other person and asked him what had happened all he said to her was 'let's put it this way, I'd go and get a morning after pill if I were you' she never took it any further, too scared, didn't want the stigma, didn't see what it could achieve, whatever the reason.
She was raped and I'm sure there are many other women out there who haven't reported something.

This is interesting. How can she completely trust her (very drunken) mind? So she said she passed out before any sex occurred - how does she know that? She was drunk to the point of passing out - I know when I get that drunk I don't remember anything, really. How can she be confident that she was raped, and didn't agree to it in the "heat of the moment" and the following morning she had forgotten all about it due to the large amount of alcohol she consumed?

Look, I'm not saying she wasn't raped but relying on an alcohol-fuelled mind to accurately remember a situation is a bit of a stretch. He may well have raped her but how can she say with any certainty? And to anyone who replies to this post with "she wasn't in any state to give consent, even if she did say "yes" at the time" then what if the bloke is just as drunk as her? Where is the line drawn? I've been out round town, got very drunk and gone home with a lass and woke up the next morning in her bed thinking what the hell where am I? I'm then told we had sex without me remembering any of it, have I been raped because I can't remember giving consent at the time?

Btw, I'm not trying to catch you out or anything, I'm just curious.

This post has been edited by Goku: 09 October 2014 - 03:58 PM

[firedodger]

Goku, on 09 October 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

This is interesting. How can she completely trust her (very drunken) mind? So she said she passed out before any sex occurred - how does she know that? She was drunk to the point of passing out - I know when I get that drunk I don't remember anything, really. How can she be confident that she was raped, and didn't agree to it in the "heat of the moment" and the following morning she had forgotten all about it due to the large amount of alcohol she consumed?

Look, I'm not saying she wasn't raped but relying on an alcohol-fuelled mind to accurately remember a situation is a bit of a stretch. He may well have raped her but how can she say with any certainty? And to anyone who replies to this post with "she wasn't in any state to give consent, even if she did say "yes" at the time" then what if the bloke is just as drunk as her? Where is the line drawn? I've been out round town, got very drunk and gone home with a lass and woke up the next morning in her bed thinking what the hell where am I? I'm then told we had sex without me remembering any of it, have I been raped because I can't remember giving consent at the time?

Btw, I'm not trying to catch you out or anything, I'm just curious.

No that's fair enough, I understand and some good points made. Maybe you do have a case for rape, if you didn't consent and weren't happy about it, how far you would get with an allegation I don't think we'll ever know.
As for the case in point, without going into gory details, she knows, he was bragging about it the following day telling people what he'd done to her but also telling his mates not to bother she was crap as she was out cold all the way through it, expanding on things he had to do to make some things work because she was out cold.
I've never met the bloke, but I hope he's had a horrible life, he deserves it.

[Goku]

firedodger, on 09 October 2014 - 10:09 PM, said:

No that's fair enough, I understand and some good points made. Maybe you do have a case for rape, if you didn't consent and weren't happy about it, how far you would get with an allegation I don't think we'll ever know.
As for the case in point, without going into gory details, she knows, he was bragging about it the following day telling people what he'd done to her but also telling his mates not to bother she was crap as she was out cold all the way through it, expanding on things he had to do to make some things work because she was out cold.
I've never met the bloke, but I hope he's had a horrible life, he deserves it.

In that case fair enough and what a vile human being.

[firedodger]

Goku, on 10 October 2014 - 09:37 AM, said:

In that case fair enough and what a vile human being.

Absolutely, but I do see where you and others are coming from, this maybe more than any other alleged crime can be an absolute minefield in terms of proving or disproving.
Maybe because I know people who have been victims of rape or sex without consent, maybe that's why I tend to sympathise with that side of the issue.

[Westbars Spireite]

firedodger, on 09 October 2014 - 10:09 PM, said:

No that's fair enough, I understand and some good points made. Maybe you do have a case for rape, if you didn't consent and weren't happy about it, how far you would get with an allegation I don't think we'll ever know.
As for the case in point, without going into gory details, she knows, he was bragging about it the following day telling people what he'd done to her but also telling his mates not to bother she was crap as she was out cold all the way through it, expanding on things he had to do to make some things work because she was out cold.
I've never met the bloke, but I hope he's had a horrible life, he deserves it.

Isn't it the case that a man can't be raped by a woman by law?

This post has been edited by Westbars Spireite: 10 October 2014 - 11:47 AM

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firedodger, on 10 October 2014 - 11:40 AM, said:

Absolutely, but I do see where you and others are coming from, this maybe more than any other alleged crime can be an absolute minefield in terms of proving or disproving.
Maybe because I know people who have been victims of rape or sex without consent, maybe that's why I tend to sympathise with that side of the issue.

Absolutely, and obviously that can discourage victims reporting it to the police which is a damn shame. Genuinely baffling how someone can derive pleasure from someone who doesn't want to have sex with them or someone who is out cold.

[Westbars Spireite]

Presumably a power trip for inadequates.

[Wooden Spoon]

firedodger, on 09 October 2014 - 01:31 PM, said:

And for everyone in your situation I'm sure there is at least one girl or woman who hasn't reported an incident because they were very drunk, or they are now too ashamed or any number of reasons. One such instance I know of the woman woke up in the morning knowing things weren't right (yes she had passed out drunk the night before) and when she confronted the other person and asked him what had happened all he said to her was 'let's put it this way, I'd go and get a morning after pill if I were you' she never took it any further, too scared, didn't want the stigma, didn't see what it could achieve, whatever the reason.
She was raped and I'm sure there are many other women out there who haven't reported something.

it is estimated that just 1 in 10 rapes are actually reported.

For various reasons.

In your instance, a sense of deep betrayal and disgust, as well as not being believed would be factors that would heavily influence things.

Sometimes they poor girl is too traumatised to report it, sometimes they just feel they wont be believed, sometimes through fear, afterall most sex offences are committed by people known to the victim and sometimes its just shame - the girl just doesn't want anyone to know they had been violated.

Anyone who makes light of such an offence really ought to hang their heads in shame.

[Wooden Spoon]

Westbars Spireite, on 10 October 2014 - 11:46 AM, said:

Isn't it the case that a man can't be raped by a woman by law?

almost.

A woman could be charged with rape if she had sexually violated a man by using something like a "strap on", otherwise it would be classed as serious sexual assault.




"Penetration" as a sexual act is what would differentiate rape from sexual assault

[BeastMode]

newboldsteve, on 04 October 2014 - 09:25 AM, said:

that's all lies she didn't take it to court she didn't even testify all she ever said is she could remember a thing from the night

You forgot to underline the point where i said they were rumours, at no point have i claimed fact.

[Heavy_Soul]

a kick in the balls, on 10 October 2014 - 02:58 PM, said:

almost.

A woman could be charged with rape if she had sexually violated a man by using something like a "strap on", otherwise it would be classed as serious sexual assault.




"Penetration" as a sexual act is what would differentiate rape from sexual assault

I believe rape is defined in law by penetration of the penis.

So even using a "strap on" would only be classed as sexual assault and never rape.

[shaun1866]

Screamadelica, on 11 October 2014 - 04:58 PM, said:

I believe rape is defined in law by penetration of the penis.

So even using a "strap on" would only be classed as sexual assault and never rape.

Penetration of the penis lol

I'm doing that women at the clinic 15 years ago with the umbrella in that case.

[Phil V 72]

http://www.thefootba...-moving-forward

Good article here IMO

[Mr Mercury]

The poster below the article shows the mentality of some!
The Sun newspaper, hardly Reuters I know , is reporting that Sheff Utd will offer him a £500,000 deal to resign for them..probably not far off the mark..
Even more reason to hate them.

[trickytrevsfanclub]

As I have posted on the other Evans thread, in the interests of balance this website carries the version of events from Evans side.

www.chedevans.com

I have a son and a daughter. If she was my daughter i'd want to kill him and if he was my son I'd be fighting tooth and nail to clear his name.

[fishini]

trickytrevsfanclub, on 19 October 2014 - 07:21 PM, said:

As I have posted on the other Evans thread, in the interests of balance this website carries the version of events from Evans side.

www.chedevans.com

I have a son and a daughter. If she was my daughter i'd want to kill him and if he was my son I'd be fighting tooth and nail to clear his name.

As would any decent parent