[60s 70s Spireite]

h again, on 28 September 2014 - 10:19 PM, said:

Not true. The slower the ball, the more effort you have to put into getting some power behind it, a fact so obvious I wonder it should even need stating.
Exactly the same applies in cricket, where batsmen have to put in much more effort to get slow bowlers away.

Plenty of sixes cone from slow bowlers. It's called timing and backlift, not effort.. Try not to be so condescending and pious.

[Goku]

h again, on 28 September 2014 - 10:02 PM, said:

Luck doesn't enter into it. If the crosses give attackers a sporting chance of a powerful header we can score - floaters make it far more difficult to put any power behind the header, even without the attentions of half the defence who've had time to gather round.
You baffle me with this business - haven't you seen the dangerous corners we've been getting as routine from all the opposition this season? And as for the crossing, which amounts to much the same thing, where do you think all the goals we've been conceding have come from?



Try not to be silly. I'm trying to treat you as an adult, but sometimes it's difficult.

I try with you too, I really do but then you go and say condescending things like "to most people it's just common sense" and the cycle starts all over again, y'see.

[Webster]

Perhaps we are conceding more goals from corners as we no longer have people on the posts

[Stockholm Spireite]

h again, on 28 September 2014 - 09:40 PM, said:

Or try Brian Clough. "The longer a ball's in the air, the easier it is to defend against". To most people it's just common sense.

As someone that played under Clough as a youngster, he also said that the quality of delivery and the timing of the run onto the ball were critical.

He had the training ground in bits when we gave a centre-back of some repute a lesson in life on the pitch:

"Young man, you'd do well to look at this exercise as a way of pleasing your wife. I know she's not happy in bed so I'm giving one piece of advice for here and at home; when you're on the edge of the box, make sure everything's perfect. If you go into soon or come out too early, no-one's satisfied".

[brianclose]

Goku, on 28 September 2014 - 09:54 PM, said:

Nobody marks Hird or Margreitter obviously. They're all afraid of Evatt and all his headed Premiership goals.

Evatt scored a whopping 1 goal in the Premiership. It was a header from a corner though.

[dim view]

Goku, on 28 September 2014 - 07:13 PM, said:

We hit the bar and scored from two floated Johnson corners. Regardless of how we put our crosses in, Evatt is very poor at getting up and heading the ball cleanly. Marg didnt seem to have a problem getting up above his man and directing relatively accurate efforts on goal from floated corners. Its not an excuse.

You've missed the point. It's all a bluff. Evatt makes sure his opponents hear his instructions to the taker to aim for him. The defenders crowd him out......and leave more space for t'others. If the ball does happen to go to Evatt, most of the time he's too well marked to do 'owt useful. With both Evatt and Armand on the pitch, it's double the problem for defenders and lot's more space for the others provided it's all been rehearsed. It seems obvious to me that a ball driven rather than floated into that space gives defenders less time to fill the space. Practice, practice, practice.

[60s 70s Spireite]

dim view, on 29 September 2014 - 08:12 AM, said:

You've missed the point. It's all a bluff. Evatt makes sure his opponents hear his instructions to the taker to aim for him. The defenders crowd him out......and leave more space for t'others. If the ball does happen to go to Evatt, most of the time he's too well marked to do 'owt useful. With both Evatt and Armand on the pitch, it's double the problem for defenders and lot's more space for the others provided it's all been rehearsed. It seems obvious to me that a ball driven rather than floated into that space gives defenders less time to fill the space. Practice, practice, practice.

Good theory- doesn't explain some of an unmarked Evatt's misses though. Corners have to go over the first defender- hence the more floated ball. Have a look at the three Margrietter efforts on the highlights, Johnson's corners are in no way driven- they in fact reach a height of about 20 feet.

[trickytrevsfanclub]

Goku, on 28 September 2014 - 07:13 PM, said:

We hit the bar and scored from two floated Johnson corners. Regardless of how we put our crosses in, Evatt is very poor at getting up and heading the ball cleanly. Marg didnt seem to have a problem getting up above his man and directing relatively accurate efforts on goal from floated corners. Its not an excuse.

Up to hitting the bar all the corners were floaters. I was screaming at Johnson "no floaters". He must have heard me 😆 as he then started hitting them with more pace and what a surprise they were much more effective. The ones we hit the bar and scored from weren't floaters.

[60s 70s Spireite]

trickytrevsfanclub, on 29 September 2014 - 08:52 AM, said:

Up to hitting the bar all the corners were floaters. I was screaming at Johnson "no floaters". He must have heard me 😆 as he then started hitting them with more pace and what a surprise they were much more effective. The ones we hit the bar and scored from weren't floaters.

They certainly weren't driven with pace neither. They positively looped in the air.

[Goku]

trickytrevsfanclub, on 29 September 2014 - 08:52 AM, said:

Up to hitting the bar all the corners were floaters. I was screaming at Johnson "no floaters". He must have heard me 😆 as he then started hitting them with more pace and what a surprise they were much more effective. The ones we hit the bar and scored from weren't floaters.

Watch the highlights - they weren't driven or whipped in at pace, not even slightly.

[DIFH]

60s 70s Spireite, on 28 September 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

My thoughts exactly

He's the decoy ya wallies lol

[Goku]

I don't think him being the decoy masks the countless headers he puts well over the bar.

[h again]

trickytrevsfanclub, on 29 September 2014 - 08:52 AM, said:

Up to hitting the bar all the corners were floaters. I was screaming at Johnson "no floaters". He must have heard me 😆 as he then started hitting them with more pace and what a surprise they were much more effective. The ones we hit the bar and scored from weren't floaters.

Exactly. The ones we made to count were much better than the average corner we take, whilst still not being fired in, but at least they gave the attackers a chance.

[h again]

Goku, on 29 September 2014 - 09:37 AM, said:

Watch the highlights - they weren't driven or whipped in at pace, not even slightly.

They were much quicker and lower than our average corner, which comes down covered in snow. There's a case to be made for a floater to beyond the back post, but as we never have anybody there it's just useless.
If you've been watching the highlights you'll have noticed that GM gets the space for a run because the markers are concentrating on Evo and Armand - as you'd expect. if Evatt got that kind of freedom he'd score just the same.
And just to finish on a lighter note - what about the last corner that Gardner took? Not seen one of those since I played for the school.

[60s 70s Spireite]

h again, on 29 September 2014 - 08:36 PM, said:

They were much quicker and lower than our average corner, which comes down covered in snow. There's a case to be made for a floater to beyond the back post, but as we never have anybody there it's just useless.
If you've been watching the highlights you'll have noticed that GM gets the space for a run because the markers are concentrating on Evo and Armand - as you'd expect. if Evatt got that kind of freedom he'd score just the same.
And just to finish on a lighter note - what about the last corner that Gardner took? Not seen one of those since I played for the school.

Poor Evo. Just never gets the right kind of cross, then blow me Margrietter gets three in ten minutes. Should be different on Saturday, because I am sure they will be marking our Austrian first and foremost if they have any sense.

[Spire-Power]

h again, on 29 September 2014 - 08:36 PM, said:

They were much quicker and lower than our average corner, which comes down covered in snow. There's a case to be made for a floater to beyond the back post, but as we never have anybody there it's just useless.
If you've been watching the highlights you'll have noticed that GM gets the space for a run because the markers are concentrating on Evo and Armand - as you'd expect. if Evatt got that kind of freedom he'd score just the same.
And just to finish on a lighter note - what about the last corner that Gardner took? Not seen one of those since I played for the school.

They should be flushed out of our game imo

[Spire-Power]

Goku, on 29 September 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

I don't think him being the decoy masks the countless headers he puts well over the bar.

You are right, Evatt has to do much better when he attacks a cross. He's generally been a bit of a thrupenny bit head up front, like we used to say about Kevin Austin

[h again]

60s 70s Spireite, on 28 September 2014 - 10:28 PM, said:

Plenty of sixes cone from slow bowlers. It's called timing and backlift, not effort.. Try not to be so condescending and pious.

It's timing, backlift - and a lot more effort than it needs to hit a fast ball. Let's go back to school physics - a moving object, say a football, possesses energy; the faster it moves, the more energy. When it comes up against another object, say an attackers forehead, it doesn't immediately lose all that energy. In the absence of any effort by the attacker it will simply rebound - a fast moving ball will rebound a lot further than a slow moving one, won't it?
Therefore, if the attacker puts in the same amount of effort in the case of the fast moving ball and the slow ball, it's obvious the fast moving ball will rebound a lot faster and further.
So - sling the ball in fast, and any resulting header will be powerful, almost irrespective of the amount of effort the attacker puts in.
That's not condescending - it's an explanation of what most people observe dozens of times in every match they watch.

[Spire-Power]

h again, on 29 September 2014 - 08:51 PM, said:

It's timing, backlift - and a lot more effort than it needs to hit a fast ball. Let's go back to school physics - a moving object, say a football, possesses energy; the faster it moves, the more energy. When it comes up against another object, say an attackers forehead, it doesn't immediately lose all that energy. In the absence of any effort by the attacker it will simply rebound - a fast moving ball will rebound a lot further than a slow moving one, won't it?
Therefore, if the attacker puts in the same amount of effort in the case of the fast moving ball and the slow ball, it's obvious the fast moving ball will rebound a lot faster and further.
So - sling the ball in fast, and any resulting header will be powerful, almost irrespective of the amount of effort the attacker puts in.
That's not condescending - it's an explanation of what most people observe dozens of times in every match they watch.

You're getting silly again

[h again]

60s 70s Spireite, on 29 September 2014 - 08:47 PM, said:

Poor Evo. Just never gets the right kind of cross, then blow me Margrietter gets three in ten minutes. Should be different on Saturday, because I am sure they will be marking our Austrian first and foremost if they have any sense.

I'm sure they will. Wouldn't you? And if Armand isn't playing, they'll have the defenders available to mark him properly.