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Albert Holmes Slides In, on 19 December 2017 - 05:25 PM, said:

Has anyone any idea what advantage it can be to a club like Chesterfield to allow rumours to be created and magnified by NOT communicating with fans. If Brewster has bombed out why can't we know? If a player runs home to Manchester, why is he in Libya before anybody says anything?

Similarly if nothing's happening with Ricky German and the end of his three loans were merely coincidental, why isn't that said? And if there were some other explanation, don't the club's fans matter enough to find out.

He was MOM in the Non-League Paper in one of his two (I think) starts for Alfreton, scored in his last game for Matlock, scored in all the friendlies in which we fielded him so obviously some ability remains from his time as Captain of the Juniors, when he was very much the mainspring of that team. I don't remember anybody suggesting then that he needed to modify his attitude, but I do remember a very self-effacing and almost shy interview when he got his contract. So what's happened to him? I can understand he might be peed off after scoring eleven goals in under three weeks and not even getting a bench as reward from GC, I can understand carrying a bit of chip briefly. But he's young lad and he's too young to be loading himself down with chips on his shoulders, or on his plate. And he's also a bit young to be facing the vituperative criticism he seems to be receiving from some fans. He hasn't committed a crime; it could just be that this is as good as he is going to get. Maybe tonight you'll see one way or the other and it won't have to be down to guesswork and surmise. I'm hoping the fact that Jack Lester put him on the bench on Saturday means he still thinks there's hope. We NEED to bring players like Ricky German through. It's a way forward. Plymouth knocked Man City out of the FA Youth Cup FFS!

And I can't see why fans should always be left in the dark. Bring them in, include them. People who feel part of something turn up to games even when things start going wrong.

Spot on Albert, and your Tackle. A large amount of popular opinion on here and elsewhere seems to based on no more than conjecture, and the prejudicial effects can be damaging to young players. The club should do more to keep the fans informed, yes, but the fans should realise that these are young and probably very insecure lads that they are slagging off and not fictional characters in some football soap opera.

[moondog]

dim view, on 19 December 2017 - 10:59 PM, said:

Yep, I'm a bit crestfallen. Very difficult tonight to find positives. Our goalie, right back, and left back did nowt wrong. German's power and acceleration shone through but his and everybody else's overall contribution was disappointing, bordering on inadequate. I personally don't think either Hand or Smith are as good as Sharman.

Got to agree, not a lot of quality on show

[clarevoyant.]

moondog, on 20 December 2017 - 06:16 AM, said:

Got to agree, not a lot of quality on show

Yhep, disappointing expected more. Thought both central defenders looked steady, but Heanor offered nowt attack wise for 85 minutes. Mom who ever woke Ricky German up at half time.

[moondog]

At last an answer re Brewster via the DT not a very satisfactory one as surely he's good enough to start against Heanor


Wright said: “He’s been training but not showed enough at this moment in time to get in the team. “The team is winning so he has to do better, simple as that, and he’s been told as well

Read more at: https://www.derbyshi...kside-1-8919207

[60s 70s Spireite]

moondog, on 20 December 2017 - 10:08 AM, said:

At last an answer re Brewster via the DT not a very satisfactory one as surely he's good enough to start against Heanor


Wright said: “He’s been training but not showed enough at this moment in time to get in the team. “The team is winning so he has to do better, simple as that, and he’s been told as well

Read more at: https://www.derbyshi...kside-1-8919207

Makes you wonder if the club are trying encourage him to walk away and thus give us the opportunity to cancel his contract and save a bit of cash.

[RGS]

Full disclosure, questions were asked last Thursday afternoon so doesn't help with Heanor conundrum.

[dim view]

moondog, on 20 December 2017 - 10:08 AM, said:

At last an answer re Brewster via the DT not a very satisfactory one as surely he's good enough to start against Heanor


Wright said: “He’s been training but not showed enough at this moment in time to get in the team. “The team is winning so he has to do better, simple as that, and he’s been told as well

Read more at: https://www.derbyshi...kside-1-8919207

I wonder whether Tommy's quotes are a bit historical. They don't tie in with Jack saying he had no more fit players last Satday and it seems inconceivable to me that Brewster would not have been given a chance last night. He deserves some sort of opportunity having scored 4 goals on his last appearance.

[Bonnyman]

I have only seen Brewster once and that was against clay x which is a million miles from league football, nevertheless he scored 4 in the first half and his finishing was clinical and his movement excellent.If he cannot challenge for a place in our side it highlights a problem.

[moondog]

dim view, on 20 December 2017 - 10:25 AM, said:

I wonder whether Tommy's quotes are a bit historical. They don't tie in with Jack saying he had no more fit players last Satday and it seems inconceivable to me that Brewster would not have been given a chance last night. He deserves some sort of opportunity having scored 4 goals on his last appearance.

Fully agree, you would have expected Jack to say something along the lines, I don't think you are good enough but here's a chance to prove me wrong. There is also the issue of if he's not wanted then why not put him in the shop window for a loan

[Spire-Heights]

clarevoyant., on 20 December 2017 - 07:58 AM, said:

Yhep, disappointing expected more. Thought both central defenders looked steady, but Heanor offered nowt attack wise for 85 minutes. Mom who ever woke Ricky German up at half time.

‘I thought Jay Smith was strong and steady, probably not played a full game since the Handsworth game in August’

[ELTON 2020]

dim view, on 19 December 2017 - 10:59 PM, said:

Yep, I'm a bit crestfallen. Very difficult tonight to find positives. Our goalie, right back, and left back did nowt wrong. German's power and acceleration shone through but his and everybody else's overall contribution was disappointing, bordering on inadequate. I personally don't think either Hand or Smith are as good as Sharman.

This notion that German has an attitude problem is, for me not quite there. He aint good enough.He has to terrorise Heanor Town. He didn't The No.9 is only 16 or thereabouts - he looks a far better prospect although his finishing left a little to be desired. Given the opposition was older and more physical, there isn't anyone in Rowley's class just yet.

[Albert Holmes Slides In]

Well I'm glad Ricky still has some power and acceleration as the impression given on here was that he had been transformed into some comic Bunteresque character with attitude.

If Heanor have a 16 year-old good enough for their team and to give us trouble I would get him to the Proact straightaway. Imprison him in the changing room!

If Ricky isn't doing it, fair enough, BUT we have invested a lot of money and time in him and our other youngsters, yet in common with MOST other clubs our youth development is characterised by WASTE. Talent is tipped away inexpertly after between 0 and 2 brief chances in the first team. It ends up scoring goals at Frickley or making saves elsewhere and we never know what we might have missed, so we can't even measure it.

EXCEPT of course if you look at the careers of non-leaguers recruited late into the EFL and you will see they have almost all been cast aside by league clubs, often several times, as not being good enough. That's why I'll keep on saying as a small club we can adopt a different model from the Man City/Chelsea one of sign loads and discard most of them. We can give them time and attention, and when we are not about to be relegated or are already down WE CAN GIVE THEM A GAME.

The one and only way to develop into a first team player is to play in the first team when you are on the verge of being ready. And I'm afraid one of the pre-requisites for a club being able to do that is not to have a squad full of fledging loanees from slightly bigger clubs blocking the flight path. (What if Reece Brown had shone for us last season and GC had not given Joe Rowley a chance, would he be the wanted item he is today, or might he have missed his moment and ended up on the bench against Heanor?)

Give the lads a chance and be a bit of positive about them even when they are struggling. They know it is a fight to make it, how could they not?

[Albert Holmes Slides In]

I just wanted to add that the impression that for our lads to be any good they should have been able to rip Heanor apart is basic garbage.

Heanor play in the Midland League - Step Five of the non-league structure. They have been up with the the league leaders, so they aren't rubbish. Plymouth Argyle Reserves play in the SW Peninsula - that is Step 6. Sheffield FC to whom we loan young players to gain experience are one step higher than Heanor, but are near the bottom ....... so you could expect them to be roughly the same standard.

Heanor certainly aren't rubbish. A young inexperienced side was doing well to win. If we had been playing Plymouth Reserves the impression would have been we might need the odd first teamer to hold our own, but youngsters like Smith, Hand ,Fowler and Ofoegbu shut out the opposition till late in the game. Our team got two goals. It's not a glorious victory, but for those who think our youngsters should walk all over Heanor, try playing at that level. They are good players. They're not full-timers but a young lad used to uncompetitive football would find a good Step-Five team a handful.