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Will We See A Completed Season ?

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Posted 20 July 2021 - 08:58 PM

View PostRN Blue, on 20 July 2021 - 08:24 PM, said:

You're right, we've all been offered a rushed through experimental vaccine, some are concerned and haven't taken it up.

Right or wrong, that's their informed decision/opinion which they're entitled to. The government indicating that they will impose restrictions to what the unvaccinated can do is, in my opinion a disgrace and an affront to free speech and democracy and choice.

Remember Blair not revealing if his newborn will be having the MMR vaccine that many believed was linked to autism?

Free country, free speech, free choice, my bottom.



Exactly, your choice

You don’t want Bill Gates injecting you with 5G and tracking your movements and that’s fair enough
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Posted 20 July 2021 - 09:52 PM

View Postmetallilad, on 20 July 2021 - 08:43 PM, said:

45 million plus people have had at least one vaccine and no signs of them turning to snarling zombies. Logic dictates that the vaccines seem to be safe.
Sometimes if people would look beyond the youtube conspiracy theories and see the facts as they are then maybe the country could start to move forward.


I’ve had both of mine, don’t mind admitting it, I do however respect those that have chosen not to have theirs.
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Posted 20 July 2021 - 09:54 PM

View Postmetallilad, on 20 July 2021 - 08:43 PM, said:

45 million plus people have had at least one vaccine and no signs of them turning to snarling zombies. Logic dictates that the vaccines seem to be safe.
Sometimes if people would look beyond the youtube conspiracy theories and see the facts as they are then maybe the country could start to move forward.

Totally agree. Sadly, there will always be a small minority eager to invent a ludicrous conspiracy theory because it makes them feel important. The ease with which we can communicate nowadays enables any half-baked tripe to be spread far and wide. I have a positive outlook, and believe that the vast majority of people will take the sane course of action, continuing with sensible precautions for however long it takes.
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Posted 21 July 2021 - 01:05 AM

View PostRN Blue, on 20 July 2021 - 09:52 PM, said:

I’ve had both of mine, don’t mind admitting it, I do however respect those that have chosen not to have theirs.

Everyone is entitled to a choice. I chose to have both my jabs. If someone chooses not to have both jabs then fair enough but they run the risk of not being able to go to footy , or any other gig for that matter,if the government says so.
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Posted 21 July 2021 - 04:28 AM

View Postmetallilad, on 20 July 2021 - 08:43 PM, said:

45 million plus people have had at least one vaccine and no signs of them turning to snarling zombies. Logic dictates that the vaccines seem to be safe.
Sometimes if people would look beyond the youtube conspiracy theories and see the facts as they are then maybe the country could start to move forward.


There have been deaths and other side effects as a result of the vaccine. The numbers are minute in comparison to how many lives they’ve saved, the vaccine is clearly a net good, but don’t pretend that everybody who has had it is fine. Here’s an example: https://www.instagra...edium=copy_link
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Posted 21 July 2021 - 01:34 PM

View Postmetallilad, on 20 July 2021 - 08:43 PM, said:

45 million plus people have had at least one vaccine and no signs of them turning to snarling zombies. Logic dictates that the vaccines seem to be safe.
Sometimes if people would look beyond the youtube conspiracy theories and see the facts as they are then maybe the country could start to move forward.


I've had 1 and getting the 2nd next week but I'm not using any app based vax passport. Happy to show my paper record but shouldn't have to.
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Posted 21 July 2021 - 01:47 PM

View Postmonte, on 21 July 2021 - 01:34 PM, said:

I've had 1 and getting the 2nd next week but I'm not using any app based vax passport. Happy to show my paper record but shouldn't have to.

No difference between the two, one is just easier to carry on a phone rather than what will end up a tatty piece of paper.
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Posted 21 July 2021 - 02:24 PM

View PostGoku, on 20 July 2021 - 03:30 PM, said:

Glad you've returned from your hiatus to cheers us all up Dave.


Yes, thanks very much Dave, silly me getting excited about our season starting.
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Posted 21 July 2021 - 02:36 PM

View PostJonB, on 21 July 2021 - 01:47 PM, said:

No difference between the two, one is just easier to carry on a phone rather than what will end up a tatty piece of paper.


One requires an app that tracks you, stores all your medical data etc

The other doesn't...
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Posted 21 July 2021 - 02:50 PM

View Postmonte, on 21 July 2021 - 02:36 PM, said:

One requires an app that tracks you, stores all your medical data etc

The other doesn't...

Medical data it takes from where its all stored already, its not just doing it in the app. Also if you have a mobile, social media and many other things they can track you if they want they dont need you on an NHS app to do it. The one with the vaccine stuff in is a separate app to the track and trace one used for scanning the entry barcode at places, the NHS app with your vaccine info is the original standalone NHS app that is not used for any checking in or alike.
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Posted 21 July 2021 - 03:11 PM

View PostJonB, on 21 July 2021 - 02:50 PM, said:

Medical data it takes from where its all stored already, its not just doing it in the app. Also if you have a mobile, social media and many other things they can track you if they want they dont need you on an NHS app to do it. The one with the vaccine stuff in is a separate app to the track and trace one used for scanning the entry barcode at places, the NHS app with your vaccine info is the original standalone NHS app that is not used for any checking in or alike.


I'm aware of companies tracking but just don't want to give them any more data. I'm actually against any requirement for proof of vaccine but if its a requirement.

NHS wise I'm not convinced on their security or ethics, like recently when they came out and said they would sell medical data to research companies unless you opted out by September. https://digital.nhs....al-data-opt-out

ANYWAY, lets hope the season goes ahead and everyone enjoys being back at the ground
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Posted 21 July 2021 - 09:31 PM

View PostRN Blue, on 20 July 2021 - 08:24 PM, said:

You're right, we've all been offered a rushed through experimental vaccine, some are concerned and haven't taken it up.

Right or wrong, that's their informed decision/opinion which they're entitled to. The government indicating that they will impose restrictions to what the unvaccinated can do is, in my opinion a disgrace and an affront to free speech and democracy and choice.

Remember Blair not revealing if his newborn will be having the MMR vaccine that many believed was linked to autism?

Free country, free speech, free choice, my bottom.



You are right... it is your choice... so I will give my experience.

I'm 51 now (god help me), and just before Xmas came down with Covid, and so did the wife (very much of the opinion 'its over-hyped is Covid' she said...), and my stepson.

You can argue the toss of the vax being experimental (I don't believe it's as experimental as people think - delivery mechanism is tried and trusted for decades) but I cannot imagine it being worse or even close to the hell my family went through.

I was borderline on the O2 level. Called 111, and they had an ambulance at my door in 15mins, I sounded so bad.. 2 days later, they did the same for my wife, she was far worse, and we ended up buying a powered inhalator with stuff to open up her airways. At this stage my stepson was looking after us both, and I have to say she was in a poor state, but the paramedics were adamant she'd be better at home because she was very borderline for ventilation, and 50% of ventilated patients never got out of hospital alive. She also had pneumonia as a result.

Took me a month to get back to normal... My wife took over 2. Scans by specialist showed damage to her bronchi etc. She's never smoked etc...

So, when I see people moaning about restrictions - by all means flout them, but keep the hell away from everybody else.

I wouldn't wish my experience on my worst enemy...seriously.
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Posted 21 July 2021 - 10:20 PM

View PostSurrey Spireite, on 21 July 2021 - 09:31 PM, said:

You are right... it is your choice... so I will give my experience.

I'm 51 now (god help me), and just before Xmas came down with Covid, and so did the wife (very much of the opinion 'its over-hyped is Covid' she said...), and my stepson.

You can argue the toss of the vax being experimental (I don't believe it's as experimental as people think - delivery mechanism is tried and trusted for decades) but I cannot imagine it being worse or even close to the hell my family went through.

I was borderline on the O2 level. Called 111, and they had an ambulance at my door in 15mins, I sounded so bad.. 2 days later, they did the same for my wife, she was far worse, and we ended up buying a powered inhalator with stuff to open up her airways. At this stage my stepson was looking after us both, and I have to say she was in a poor state, but the paramedics were adamant she'd be better at home because she was very borderline for ventilation, and 50% of ventilated patients never got out of hospital alive. She also had pneumonia as a result.

Took me a month to get back to normal... My wife took over 2. Scans by specialist showed damage to her bronchi etc. She's never smoked etc...

So, when I see people moaning about restrictions - by all means flout them, but keep the hell away from everybody else.

I wouldn't wish my experience on my worst enemy...seriously.

A very timely post, and best wishes for full recoveries to you all. I'm not sure it will, but your story should make those whingeing about their 'rights' and 'freedoms' think again, and realise how utterly selfish their attitude is. We do NOT all have a right to do whatever we like, when we like, IF OUR ACTIONS MIGHT ENDANGER OTHERS. Should we be free to walk into anybody's home without an invitation and help ourselves to whatever we want? Maybe we should have the right to drive on whatever side of the road we feel like driving on. I wonder why we have those rights and freedoms restricted? Oh yes - it's because acting in those ways would HARM OTHER PEOPLE! That is why individual rights and freedoms have to be balanced against the health and safety of society in general. In the current health situation, nobody has any right to potentially pass Covid on to me, my friends, or family, or to anybody else. It appears quite obvious and reasonable to me, that people who refuse to show any consideration for others have no grounds whatsoever for complaining if they are excluded from venues and events where they could endanger others. They need to ditch their self-centred pomposity and start showing some consideration for their fellow humans.
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Posted 21 July 2021 - 10:28 PM

View Postsophocles, on 21 July 2021 - 10:20 PM, said:

A very timely post, and best wishes for full recoveries to you all. I'm not sure it will, but your story should make those whingeing about their 'rights' and 'freedoms' think again, and realise how utterly selfish their attitude is. We do NOT all have a right to do whatever we like, when we like, IF OUR ACTIONS MIGHT ENDANGER OTHERS. Should we be free to walk into anybody's home without an invitation and help ourselves to whatever we want? Maybe we should have the right to drive on whatever side of the road we feel like driving on. I wonder why we have those rights and freedoms restricted? Oh yes - it's because acting in those ways would HARM OTHER PEOPLE! That is why individual rights and freedoms have to be balanced against the health and safety of society in general. In the current health situation, nobody has any right to potentially pass Covid on to me, my friends, or family, or to anybody else. It appears quite obvious and reasonable to me, that people who refuse to show any consideration for others have no grounds whatsoever for complaining if they are excluded from venues and events where they could endanger others. They need to ditch their self-centred pomposity and start showing some consideration for their fellow humans.

Well said Soph, brilliant post.
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Posted 22 July 2021 - 09:57 AM

View Postmonte, on 21 July 2021 - 02:36 PM, said:

One requires an app that tracks you, stores all your medical data etc

The other doesn't...


Do you use Facebook, twitter, Google, a mobile phone, a debit card, a bank account, an email address, a GP? If so, all your information is already there, but you're worried about one app. Stay off the conspiracy theory websites.
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Posted 22 July 2021 - 11:07 AM

View PostTo the Winchester, on 22 July 2021 - 09:57 AM, said:

Do you use Facebook, twitter, Google, a mobile phone, a debit card, a bank account, an email address, a GP? If so, all your information is already there, but you're worried about one app. Stay off the conspiracy theory websites.


I'm happy to do my part and get the vaccine I just don't think that once its been offered to everyone it should be a requirement to prove you've had it.

I don't use conspiracy websites (note I provided an NHS link where they said unless you opt out they'll share), my point was that I'd rather use a paper based item rather than an app. The "everyone else knows" argument is the reason all these companies get away with it. Also if you have the app then you'll be sharing that info with the above you mentioned too which is not something I want to do, if you want to that's fine but my point was no app should be required. People get so angry when you want privacy.
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Posted 22 July 2021 - 11:51 AM

View Postmonte, on 22 July 2021 - 11:07 AM, said:

I'm happy to do my part and get the vaccine I just don't think that once its been offered to everyone it should be a requirement to prove you've had it.

I don't use conspiracy websites (note I provided an NHS link where they said unless you opt out they'll share), my point was that I'd rather use a paper based item rather than an app. The "everyone else knows" argument is the reason all these companies get away with it. Also if you have the app then you'll be sharing that info with the above you mentioned too which is not something I want to do, if you want to that's fine but my point was no app should be required. People get so angry when you want privacy.



No anger from me.. its just very difficult to get actual privacy with technology these days. Suppose there's no harm in trying.
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Posted 22 July 2021 - 12:04 PM

View Postmonte, on 22 July 2021 - 11:07 AM, said:

I'm happy to do my part and get the vaccine I just don't think that once its been offered to everyone it should be a requirement to prove you've had it.


I can see this being a manifesto issue at the next election, which could be sooner than people think.

Loads of influential companies could be lobbying for laws permitting them to insist that their on site employees are covid free. So that would be proof of vaccine and/or very regular testing.
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Posted 22 July 2021 - 05:00 PM

View PostThe Rev., on 21 July 2021 - 10:28 PM, said:

Well said Soph, brilliant post.

Thank you, it's good to get things off your chest sometimes.
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Posted 22 July 2021 - 05:54 PM

View Postsophocles, on 22 July 2021 - 05:00 PM, said:

Thank you, it's good to get things off your chest sometimes.


It was a good post however, the vaccinated can still get it and infect others, so.............
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