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#1 User is offline   Wooden Spoon 

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Posted 28 May 2020 - 10:21 PM

Watched the video today of them arresting the black fella who later dies. 9 minutes with his knee in his neck AFTER the fella was in hand cuffs. I mean FFS, what on earth is this? AGAIN.






Murder charges should be brought against the arresting officers.
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Posted 28 May 2020 - 10:27 PM

Our police are saints in comparison. We should be grateful.
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Posted 28 May 2020 - 10:36 PM

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Our police are saints in comparison. We should be grateful.


It really does put things into perspective doesn’t it.


I honestly think gun laws have so much to do with it (besides the obvious racism) because Yankee coppers are so used to dealing with guns, that they are very harsh from the off, allowing no room for error. I was stopped speeding once, I hired a pick up and thought “ I’ll see what it can do” and next thing blue lights in the mirror. So I pulled up, the first thing he said was keep your hands where I can see them, with his hand on his holster. Obviously once he realised I was a Brit he completely chilled,out......but even so, stop a car, approach with caution ready to react with extreme violence.


The mentality is simply shoot first, answer questions later.
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Posted 29 May 2020 - 06:10 AM

Trump tweets: 'military on standby so when the looting starts the shooting starts'.

At the same time as criticising China's approach in Hong Kong.

Oh, and as an aside he's clamping down on social media simply because they linked his posts to a fact checker.

Meanwhile the Covid death toll passes the hundred thousand mark, by far the world's worst...
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Posted 29 May 2020 - 11:12 AM

View PostDEATH, on 28 May 2020 - 10:21 PM, said:

Watched the video today of them arresting the black fella who later dies. 9 minutes with his knee in his neck AFTER the fella was in hand cuffs. I mean FFS, what on earth is this? AGAIN.






Murder charges should be brought against the arresting officers.


It really is amazing how little they learn from their mistakes. It's the same with guns, they were averaging what is classified as a mass shooting (5 or more involved I think) at a rate of nearly one every one and a half days last time I checked. Yet they absolutely will not budge on the right to bare arms.

Those amendments were brought in during a time when they had just had the war of independence and the civil war so you can understand it then so people could protect themselves from roaming militias and the like. The world is completely different now and those amendments are obsolete. The type of people who can just walk in somewhere and get a gun is unreal. I remember doing weapons training in this country back when I was younger. You had to have complete and utter respect for the rules of the range before you were allowed anywhere near a weapon and you had to train until you could use it properly before you could fire live rounds. And that's the problem, no offence to Joe Public but for the most part they simply don't have the knowledge or the respect for guns that is required to be a sensible gun owner, hence why most countries are sensible and don't allow public firearm sales.
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Posted 29 May 2020 - 05:12 PM

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Posted 30 May 2020 - 07:45 AM

View PostDEATH, on 28 May 2020 - 10:21 PM, said:


Murder charges should be brought against the arresting officers.

How can the cop be charged with both murder and manslaughter?
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Posted 30 May 2020 - 08:17 AM

View Postdim view, on 30 May 2020 - 07:45 AM, said:

How can the cop be charged with both murder and manslaughter?

Gives the US courts an option, they can be found not guilty of murder but guilty of manslaughter. Avoids the double jeopardy law.
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Posted 30 May 2020 - 08:27 AM

View PostJohnnyspireite7, on 30 May 2020 - 08:17 AM, said:

Gives the US courts an option, they can be found not guilty of murder but guilty of manslaughter. Avoids the double jeopardy law.

So the US CPS let the jury decide whether the action was an accident or not? That seems as crazy as the rest of US culture.
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Posted 30 May 2020 - 10:40 AM

View Postdim view, on 30 May 2020 - 07:45 AM, said:

How can the cop be charged with both murder and manslaughter?



I believe, but happy to be corrected here that he’s been charged with manslaughter (second degree murder) and also 3rd degree murder.



I believe, again happy to be corrected, that a parallel in UK law would be voluntary manslaughter (2nd degree) and involuntary manslaughter (3rd degree)
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Posted 30 May 2020 - 01:17 PM

View PostDEATH, on 30 May 2020 - 10:40 AM, said:


I believe, again happy to be corrected, that a parallel in UK law would be voluntary manslaughter (2nd degree) and involuntary manslaughter (3rd degree)

Wouldn't the parallel be that in the UK you could be charged with both?

My missus reckons that in the UK you can be charged with murder but the jury can return a verdict of not guilty of murder but guilty of manslaughter, which of course is not the same as being charged with both.
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Posted 31 May 2020 - 11:05 AM

Yank police have gone mad

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Posted 31 May 2020 - 12:31 PM

I take it those rioting don't just want the 'justice' some are claiming given he's in jail and on suicide watch?
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Posted 31 May 2020 - 12:50 PM

View Postdim view, on 30 May 2020 - 01:17 PM, said:

Wouldn't the parallel be that in the UK you could be charged with both?

My missus reckons that in the UK you can be charged with murder but the jury can return a verdict of not guilty of murder but guilty of manslaughter, which of course is not the same as being charged with both.

It’s common to have multiple charges varying in degree of severity. It allows plea bargaining and a safety net If/when these charges come before the jury.

Incidentally 3rd degree murder is not common as very few States have it available. I suspect if the federal authorities get involved it would change to 2nd degree murder.
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Posted 31 May 2020 - 12:57 PM

View PostWestbars Spireite, on 31 May 2020 - 12:31 PM, said:

I take it those rioting don't just want the 'justice' some are claiming given he's in jail and on suicide watch?

Theres obviously premeditated criminality involved but I guess suspicion that the cop will get off is the man driver.

Few cops get convicted and if they do so, they are convicted on minor charges. I was watching the state attorney boasting he got a cop convicted for murder. Unfortunately the cop was brown and his victim was a white Australian.
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Posted 31 May 2020 - 01:28 PM

View PostWestbars Spireite, on 31 May 2020 - 12:31 PM, said:

I take it those rioting don't just want the 'justice' some are claiming given he's in jail and on suicide watch?

It’s certainly a different way to go shopping,if it kicks off in this country over police racism or as seen on Twitter protests against boris and chums then I quite fancy an Apple Mac free gratis
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Posted 31 May 2020 - 02:40 PM

Demonstrations in London now, this is no longer a protest at a genuinely awful event but a chance to cause trouble. Imho.
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Posted 31 May 2020 - 03:32 PM

As far as I'm concerned it's nothing to do with us. If you want to protest about it get over to America.
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Posted 31 May 2020 - 04:10 PM

Still laughing at Trump watching last evening's lift off to the Village People's 'Macho Man'.

D'y'think he knows....?
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Posted 31 May 2020 - 04:31 PM

View PostWestbars Spireite, on 31 May 2020 - 03:32 PM, said:

As far as I'm concerned it's nothing to do with us. If you want to protest about it get over to America.


On that basis-
Germany invades Poland- nah nothing to do with us.....

Iraq goes a bit crazy with its citizens - nah nothing to do with is..


You get the drift.

I guess the upshot is people around the world don’t necessarily agree with racism or police brutality
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