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Posted 21 May 2015 - 06:32 PM

View PostGoku, on 21 May 2015 - 12:48 PM, said:

I think you're spot on as per usual. Sacking a proven fitness coach, for example, and replacing him with someone who is most likely going to do the exact same thing as him because the manager 'trusts him more' is boulderdash.


Given the choice of somebody you have worked with before and in whom you have absolute faith and trust and who fits your style and ethos perfectly, and somebody who you don't know from Adam, who would you chose ? Tough on Shinner but Saunders is backing the bloke he knows for certain that he can work with. I don't think this is a case of 'the old pals act' and the same goes for Crossley. The respect already exists.
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Posted 21 May 2015 - 06:35 PM

View PostMac, on 21 May 2015 - 06:01 PM, said:

Correct. You can't put there what God didn't. I also fail to see what effect MC can have on Tommy Lee other than perhaps boosting his confidence. For all the talk of keepers getting better with age, if he can't do it at this stage in his career, he probably isn't going to....


Confidence and belief I reckon - he can't make him taller. Maybe our psychologist contributor can tell us something on that score ?
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Posted 21 May 2015 - 06:59 PM

View Postboot, on 21 May 2015 - 06:32 PM, said:

Given the choice of somebody you have worked with before and in whom you have absolute faith and trust and who fits your style and ethos perfectly, and somebody who you don't know from Adam, who would you chose ? Tough on Shinner but Saunders is backing the bloke he knows for certain that he can work with. I don't think this is a case of 'the old pals act' and the same goes for Crossley. The respect already exists.


It's a wonder Ajax manage to retain all their back room staff when they change manager whilst keeping the best youth academy in the world. For a more realistic comparison do Crewe change all their staff when they change manager? Genuine question cos I don't know.

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Posted 21 May 2015 - 07:10 PM

Saunders cannot be denied the opportunity to bring in staff of his own choice at the expense of current staff members. It is only right that when he is judged on his performance, he is being judged by what he has implemented and worked with rather than what the previous manager left for him.

I was disappointed to see Nicholson leave the club but it the impression being created on here is that some staff we liked and so we are mad that they have been moved on and some staff we didn't like and so we are happy to see them go. If we are talking about our success last season, surely the whole team of back room staff were responsible and played their part. We have no idea what went on Monday to Friday but some individuals we like ( Nicholson ) and some we appeared not to like ( Nixon ). Perhaps we are blindly judging them on our affection of their character rather than what actual impact they had day to day. After all, we have no idea really.
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Posted 21 May 2015 - 07:39 PM

View PostGoku, on 21 May 2015 - 06:59 PM, said:

It's a wonder Ajax manage to retain all their back room staff when they change manager whilst keeping the best youth academy in the world. For a more realistic comparison do Crewe change all their staff when they change manager? Genuine question cos I don't know.


You've not answered my question and I don't know the answer to yours, but talking of Ajax coaches don't van Gaal and Koeman hate each others guts - how would that work if they were thrown together for example ? In my working life there are two guys who I could have staked my life on amongst plenty I liked and a few I disliked.Given the choice I would have chosen those two to work for me before anybody else. Why would I pass them by for somebody with the same job title who I didn't know ? I would have been a fool to do it!

What's your theory why Saunders has made the decision he has ?
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Posted 21 May 2015 - 07:49 PM

View Postboot, on 21 May 2015 - 07:39 PM, said:

You've not answered my question and I don't know the answer to yours, but talking of Ajax coaches don't van Gaal and Koeman hate each others guts - how would that work if they were thrown together for example ? In my working life there are two guys who I could have staked my life on amongst plenty I liked and a few I disliked.Given the choice I would have chosen those two to work for me before anybody else. Why would I pass them by for somebody with the same job title who I didn't know ? I would have been a fool to do it!

What's your theory why Saunders has made the decision he has ?


I completely understand it from the manager's perspective, I just don't think they should have complete control. If the club see someone doing a good job they should be rewarded as such and at least be given time to prove themselves under a new manager. As it is we're spaffing money all over the gaff getting rid of staff and hiring new staff. Doesn't seem sensible for a club who are trying to save money to do such a thing.

edit; honestly i do see it from both sides, like a manager could fail and people could say 'he didn't have a chance cos he didn't have a chance to bring his own staff in' but the negative of that is you'll be tearing up contracts and awarding new ones every time a manager fails and is sacked or moves onto better things which costs extra £££. i don't know what the right answer is but i'd be more obliged to go with freelander's idea personally.

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Posted 21 May 2015 - 08:41 PM

View PostGoku, on 21 May 2015 - 07:49 PM, said:

I completely understand it from the manager's perspective, I just don't think they should have complete control. If the club see someone doing a good job they should be rewarded as such and at least be given time to prove themselves under a new manager. As it is we're spaffing money all over the gaff getting rid of staff and hiring new staff. Doesn't seem sensible for a club who are trying to save money to do such a thing.

edit; honestly i do see it from both sides, like a manager could fail and people could say 'he didn't have a chance cos he didn't have a chance to bring his own staff in' but the negative of that is you'll be tearing up contracts and awarding new ones every time a manager fails and is sacked or moves onto better things which costs extra £££. i don't know what the right answer is but i'd be more obliged to go with freelander's idea personally.

It's Saunders' neck on the block not freelander's. Mitchell, Crossley and Purchase - the club appear to be backing him. Hopefully that extends to players as well because that is the most important bit no matter how good the fitness or the coaching.
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Posted 22 May 2015 - 04:11 PM

View PostWestbars Spireite, on 21 May 2015 - 05:53 PM, said:

Some things can't be taught.


You're taking the Mick again surely?
If these things can't be taught then why are there coaches?

Anybody can improve what they can already do.
Otherwise once say Usain Bolt ran sub 10 why carry on being coached....

I guarantee I could turn Darikwa into a sub 11.8 100m runner within 12 weeks !!
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Posted 22 May 2015 - 04:14 PM

View PostMac, on 21 May 2015 - 06:01 PM, said:

Correct. You can't put there what God didn't. I also fail to see what effect MC can have on Tommy Lee other than perhaps boosting his confidence. For all the talk of keepers getting better with age, if he can't do it at this stage in his career, he probably isn't going to....



Every discipline requires a certain level of 'talent' or ability. But anyone can be made to be able to jump higher/run faster/become more flexible/ become stronger.....

And of course Tommy Lee will still need coaching- you can't really think that can you??

Otherwise why do clubs employ staff- all the players know what to do-you think they should just be let to do whatever?
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Posted 22 May 2015 - 11:46 PM

View Postboot, on 21 May 2015 - 06:35 PM, said:

Confidence and belief I reckon - he can't make him taller. Maybe our psychologist contributor can tell us something on that score ?


I think a successful football team is more about collective skill than psychology, but not by much. I tend to think the ratio is something like 60% skill and 40% psychological factors, yes like confidence and belief. I know for example in my work, if I hold a consistently positive vision of someone's ability to totally fulfill their potential (even without me telling them that is what I'm doing), they will perform way above their own expectations. If they then begin to notice their improvement it boosts their confidence and with increased confidence comes greater and appropriate risk taking. That expands competence which increases confidence. Then you have a positive virtuous spiral of self belief. That can work wonders even with people of apparent limited ability.

If Norman has that approach with Tommy I would expect Tommy's performance levels to grow again, even at this stage in his career. After all by goalkeeping standards he is not old.
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Posted 23 May 2015 - 05:34 AM

View PostGoku, on 21 May 2015 - 06:59 PM, said:

It's a wonder Ajax manage to retain all their back room staff when they change manager whilst keeping the best youth academy in the world. For a more realistic comparison do Crewe change all their staff when they change manager? Genuine question cos I don't know.

This is Crewe. Crewe. All change here!
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Posted 23 May 2015 - 09:32 AM

View Postfreelander2, on 21 May 2015 - 12:43 PM, said:

Do you not think that it's time for football clubs to take control of their structures & how positions are populated, rather than it chopping & changing every time there's a change in manager?

There appears to be a reluctance by clubs to take control & opt on the side of fully supporting a newly appointed manager, but all this does is help jobs for the boys culture at the expense of other employees.

If a club is happy with employee X & that employee has a proven track record of delivering results, why should he/she be moved on to accommodate the wishes of a new manager.

I'd hope Paul Mitchell's new position might start to look at the club's structure & how we go about hiring / firing football related personnel.



Too an extent I would agree - but think back to when Cook started, would you say Cook, Crossley and Wright were all pulling in the same direction?
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Posted 24 May 2015 - 07:59 PM

View Posta kick in the balls, on 23 May 2015 - 09:32 AM, said:

Too an extent I would agree - but think back to when Cook started, would you say Cook, Crossley and Wright were all pulling in the same direction?


Good point. It was like having 2 management teams.
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