[The Earl of Chesterfield]

I haven't done any away games yet, but the simple facts and figures tell me we've lost three of the five in the final few minutes.

Meanwhile what I witnessed with my own eyes tonight was a side clearly knackered with twenty minutes to go.

Maybe folk will quote extenuating circumstances or individual errors, such as Liddle's weak header leading to the Gills' late leveller - yet aren't these symptomatic of tired players?

The saddest part of all is our lads had done well, really well, infact more than enough to deserve the three points. And yeah, Kettle seemed to be making it up as he went along at times. Why Bolton fans have such a downer on Wilkinson is beyond me, Dennis is a more than willing partner, Liddle went about his business in a cool, sophisticated manner, Hird was, well, just Hird, whilst Anderson looked to have things pretty much under control himself. Maguire didn't appear out of place and for all the off-field controversy surrounding Liam Graham there was nothing controversial about his on-field contribution.

Though performance of the first forty five minutes went to Jon Nolan, who was truly terrific. But therein lies the issue. He faded after the break, one of many who were increasingly leggy as the half went on.

First penno nailed on; Anderson dragging the big Gills forward back by his shirt. Second? On the opposite side of the area to me, but certainly nothing definitive. Even then I thought we'd managed the game well enough, a hugely welcome win under the circumstances. Only for another sucker punch to spoil largely laudable efforts.

Perhaps we should remember that Wilson's having to mend and make do thanks to others' mismanagement and many would've taken a point at seven forty five. However I can't help wondering if all his and the team's hard work is being undone by a lack of conditioning.

Or am I just looking for excuses after another furiously frustrating result...

This post has been edited by MDCCCLXVI: 27 September 2016 - 10:06 PM

[dim view]

MDCCCLXVI, on 27 September 2016 - 10:02 PM, said:

Or am I just looking for excuses after another furiously frustrating result...

....terribly frustrating, but at the same time, some huge positives so overall I'm quite elated. Our back up players are more capable than people think. Now, if they get injured then we are stretched beyond breaking point, but very few teams at this level have good back ups for back ups.

I had a funny feeling when Jayo came on and completely turned his back on a throw in, which led to their first goal, that negative vibes were on the up. Then, the goalie taking a free kick that far out at such a late stage was fatal. The defence pushed too far up to give him space to take it, and never recovered their shape.

[Mr Mercury]

MDCCCLXVI, on 27 September 2016 - 10:02 PM, said:

I haven't done any away games yet, but the simple facts and figures tell me we've lost three of the five in the final few minutes.

Meanwhile what I witnessed with my own eyes tonight was a side clearly knackered with twenty minutes to go.

Maybe folk will quote extenuating circumstances or individual errors, such as Liddle's weak header leading to the Gills' late leveller - yet aren't these symptomatic of tired players?

The saddest part of all is our lads had done well, really well, infact more than enough to deserve the three points. And yeah, Kettle seemed to be making it up as he went along at times. Why Bolton fans have such a downer on Wilkinson is beyond me, Dennis is a more than willing partner, Liddle went about his business in a cool, sophisticated manner, Hird was, well, just Hird, whilst Anderson looked to have things pretty much under control himself. Maguire didn't appear out of place and for all the off-field controversy surrounding Liam Graham there was nothing controversial about his on-field contribution.

Though performance of the first forty five minutes went to Jon Nolan, who was truly terrific. But therein lies the issue. He faded after the break, one of many who were increasingly leggy as the half went on.

First penno nailed on; Anderson dragging the big Gills forward back by his shirt. Second? On the opposite side of the area to me, but certainly nothing definitive. Even then I thought we'd managed the game well enough, a hugely welcome win under the circumstances. Only for another sucker punch to spoil largely laudable efforts.

Perhaps we should remember that Wilson's having to mend and make do thanks to others' mismanagement and many would've taken a point at seven forty five. However I can't help wondering if all his and the team's hard work is being undone by a lack of conditioning.

Or am I just looking for excuses after another furiously frustrating result...

Add to that the ever lengthening injury list with players seemingly out for weeks and weeks rather than the odd game is something that should be looked into. It can't all be bad luck, can it?

[Blue95]

One of the worst decisions of the lot to get rid of shinner

[AllTownArentWe]

Blue95, on 27 September 2016 - 11:54 PM, said:

One of the worst decisions of the lot to get rid of shinner

One of many terrible decisions made by Mr Dean Saunders.

[Westbars Spireite]

dim view, on 27 September 2016 - 10:49 PM, said:

....terribly frustrating, but at the same time, some huge positives so overall I'm quite elated. Our back up players are more capable than people think. Now, if they get injured then we are stretched beyond breaking point, but very few teams at this level have good back ups for back ups.

I had a funny feeling when Jayo came on and completely turned his back on a throw in, which led to their first goal, that negative vibes were on the up. Then, the goalie taking a free kick that far out at such a late stage was fatal. The defence pushed too far up to give him space to take it, and never recovered their shape.

If Fulton was going to take that kick he should have punted it into the opposite corner. I reckon that would have drew the final whistle by time they'd sorted taking any throw in.

[Bonnyman]

MDCCCLXVI, on 27 September 2016 - 10:02 PM, said:

I haven't done any away games yet, but the simple facts and figures tell me we've lost three of the five in the final few minutes.

Meanwhile what I witnessed with my own eyes tonight was a side clearly knackered with twenty minutes to go.

Maybe folk will quote extenuating circumstances or individual errors, such as Liddle's weak header leading to the Gills' late leveller - yet aren't these symptomatic of tired players?

The saddest part of all is our lads had done well, really well, infact more than enough to deserve the three points. And yeah, Kettle seemed to be making it up as he went along at times. Why Bolton fans have such a downer on Wilkinson is beyond me, Dennis is a more than willing partner, Liddle went about his business in a cool, sophisticated manner, Hird was, well, just Hird, whilst Anderson looked to have things pretty much under control himself. Maguire didn't appear out of place and for all the off-field controversy surrounding Liam Graham there was nothing controversial about his on-field contribution.

Though performance of the first forty five minutes went to Jon Nolan, who was truly terrific. But therein lies the issue. He faded after the break, one of many who were increasingly leggy as the half went on.

First penno nailed on; Anderson dragging the big Gills forward back by his shirt. Second? On the opposite side of the area to me, but certainly nothing definitive. Even then I thought we'd managed the game well enough, a hugely welcome win under the circumstances. Only for another sucker punch to spoil largely laudable efforts.

Perhaps we should remember that Wilson's having to mend and make do thanks to others' mismanagement and many would've taken a point at seven forty five. However I can't help wondering if all his and the team's hard work is being undone by a lack of conditioning.

Or am I just looking for excuses after another furiously frustrating result...

Did not look that knackered to me but when the deadhead manager takes off the player up top who is running the show goes one up top and then sits back tiredness is going to happen as you go from having possesion to defending ..instantly gillingham started stringing passes together making the players work harder.As for the corner make them defend it we are winning so why muck about its mentally negative to do it.

[Bonnyman]

dim view, on 27 September 2016 - 10:49 PM, said:

....terribly frustrating, but at the same time, some huge positives so overall I'm quite elated. Our back up players are more capable than people think. Now, if they get injured then we are stretched beyond breaking point, but very few teams at this level have good back ups for back ups.

I had a funny feeling when Jayo came on and completely turned his back on a throw in, which led to their first goal, that negative vibes were on the up. Then, the goalie taking a free kick that far out at such a late stage was fatal. The defence pushed too far up to give him space to take it, and never recovered their shape.

It was not osheas fault that the throw in was shocking it was maguires he was not prepared when oshea made his run ( perfect run from oshea to recieve it ) he then turned out and maguire lobbed it at him when he was facing the wrong way...you could not make it up.

[plannerj]

Bonnyman, on 28 September 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

It was not osheas fault that the throw in was shocking it was maguires he was not prepared when oshea made his run ( perfect run from oshea to recieve it ) he then turned out and maguire lobbed it at him when he was facing the wrong way...you could not make it up.

Disagree with you Phil. O'Shea had just come on. Wilson was wanting him to make an immediate impact. He was positioned to receive the throw in but was asleep. Why else was he there? You can't blame Maguire. O'Shea very disappointing last night imo.

[Sammy Spireite]

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Or am I just looking for excuses after another furiously frustrating result...
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I think so

No question over fitness for me, they gave their all last night.

[Bonnyman]

You clearly did not see the situation whatsoever 100% maguires fault and if it was a boys team maguire would have got a rollicking, oshea ran 10 yds and signaledhe wanted the ball maguire was day dreaming.

[boot]

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Did not look that knackered to me but when the deadhead manager takes off the player up top who is running the show goes one up top and then sits back tiredness is going to happen as you go from having possesion to defending ..instantly gillingham started stringing passes together making the players work harder.As for the corner make them defend it we are winning so why muck about its mentally negative to do it.
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Wilkinson has fitness issues and was knackered. He was the same at Bury but probably worse . He was outstanding from the outset but I was telling Walton as early as the first half that he wouldn't last 90 minutes - totally predictable by anybody who saw how he folded against Bury and could hardly move. Disrespecting Danny is poor - he ain't no deadhead. On the contrary.

[Bonnyman]

He was not that knackered, he had just had the quickness of mind and feet to dink an absolute beauty over the keeper, wilson changed a formation that forced us to sit back..the evidence is the result.

[Mr Mercury]

Bonnyman, on 28 September 2016 - 06:56 AM, said:

He was not that knackered, he had just had the quickness of mind and feet to dink an absolute beauty over the keeper, wilson changed a formation that forced us to sit back..the evidence is the result.

Any change in formation or substitution that involves bringing Dimaio into a ever deeper sitting midfield is inviting trouble with a capital T. Out muscled at least twice in his time on the pitch.

[Sammy Spireite]

Bonnyman, on 28 September 2016 - 06:56 AM, said:

He was not that knackered, he had just had the quickness of mind and feet to dink an absolute beauty over the keeper, wilson changed a formation that forced us to sit back..the evidence is the result.

by his own admission, Wilkinson was struggling, hadn't trained since Saturday and didn't think he'd be playing last night.

[60s 70s Spireite]

Sammy Spireite, on 28 September 2016 - 07:01 AM, said:

by his own admission, Wilkinson was struggling, hadn't trained since Saturday and didn't think he'd be playing last night.

Listening to Peak (on the way to the game) Phil Tooley expressed surprise that Wilkinson was starting after struggling with his hamstring on Saturday.

[Bonnyman]

Sammy Spireite, on 28 September 2016 - 07:01 AM, said:

by his own admission, Wilkinson was struggling, hadn't trained since Saturday and didn't think he'd be playing last night.

Id like to see how good he is when fit, thought he was excellent last night plenty of variety and tricks .

[valemadness]

Sammy Spireite, on 28 September 2016 - 06:48 AM, said:

I think so

No question over fitness for me, they gave their all last night.

Tbf the only injury that I've heard about that can be put down to poor preparation is McGinn's hamstring. How can you legislate for a player stepping on the ball and rolling his ankle? Broken bones? ACL? If all our injuries were preventable then we'd have a major issue, but at least 80% have been contact injuries which is pure bad luck. It doesn't help that the specialists the players have chosen have clearly made mistakes and misdiagnosed some too.

[Bobby Darling]

Mr Mercury, on 28 September 2016 - 06:59 AM, said:

Any change in formation or substitution that involves bringing Dimaio into a ever deeper sitting midfield is inviting trouble with a capital T. Out muscled at least twice in his time on the pitch.

Wilkinson had gone. He confirmed it himself in the lounges after the game. I'm not a Dimaio fan but in the last minute he won a ball by a strong challenge and was fouled. That should have been game over. The bench was so frustrated by Fulton's subsequent free kick. Everybody knew where the ball needed to go. Corner flag for Aryibi to pressure. Yet the goalie has a rush of blood. Wilson managed the game well and will be more frustrated and angry than we are.

[boot]

Bonnyman, on 28 September 2016 - 07:07 AM, said:

Id like to see how good he is when fit, thought he was excellent last night plenty of variety and tricks .

Only a deadhead would substitute a fit Wilkinson. Danny is a deadhead ?