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Tactics Completely Wrong...

#1 User is offline   Bonnyman 

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Posted 28 October 2014 - 09:59 PM

After their first goal cook must have realised that our system was never going to get anything out of possesion Swindon went compact and formed a square so we just went wide this ended up with Swindon saying thank you very much you keep going out there and we will let our 3 centre halves soak it up.On the attack their no 3 must have been singing bring me sunshine he slotted into the biggest gap ever between Gardner and jones and clicked his heels he could not be marked as our system does not cover that area of the pitch.Jimmy ryan was like a fish out of water he hasn't got the explosive pace to get upto the front man .Cook simply had to change the system to get us back into the game and all he did was change the personal, poor poor tactical analysis from the management but fair play to Swindon who were a superb better side than us .

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Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:02 PM

Thanks for putting this, I've just stuck something similar on the other thread. Awful tactics from cook in terms of leaving both full backs with no cover. I'm worried about his lack of plan b, his failure to get hold of a decent right back and leaving us with only one striker. We look like a side of league two players trying to hack it. As for whoever is supposedly training the back four they need to be sacked in the morning.
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:06 PM

View PostExharboroughspireite, on 28 October 2014 - 10:02 PM, said:

Thanks for putting this, I've just stuck something similar on the other thread. Awful tactics from cook in terms of leaving both full backs with no cover. I'm worried about his lack of plan b, his failure to get hold of a decent right back and leaving us with only one striker. We look like a side of league two players trying to hack it. As for whoever is supposedly training the back four they need to be sacked in the morning.

Good point who exactly us the defensive coach. After all we have enough back room staff.
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:06 PM

Got to agree. Swindon must have thought that Christmas had come early when the same team that did so poorly on Saturday rolled out. Looked like the two wide men were under orders to stay up & Swindon just said thanks very much and took advantage.

I know Cook talks about Johnson won't be here soon, but in O'Shea, Banks & Roberts we have capable personnel to slot into that spot & still plenty of options in the wider spots.

So why change it. It was very poor today, but when you saw what tactics we were playing in the 1st half, it was all very predictable.



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Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:07 PM

The biggest tactical error PC has made is breaking the Morsy Ryan partnership. What is he thinking!?
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:09 PM

View Posthilly81, on 28 October 2014 - 10:07 PM, said:

The biggest tactical error PC has made is breaking the Morsy Ryan partnership. What is he thinking!?


They wouldn't have been able to cover both fullbacks as Cook was expecting someone to do.....or just hoping their management team didn't notice the acres of green space in front of our full backs.
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:10 PM

View PostWalton Spireite, on 28 October 2014 - 10:06 PM, said:

Good point who exactly us the defensive coach. After all we have enough back room staff.

It's not a defensive coach that's needed it's a realisation that if you are getting no joy you need to change cooks idea of change was just reaching for a bigger hammer.
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:10 PM

View PostOscar Tone, on 28 October 2014 - 10:06 PM, said:

Got to agree. Swindon must have thought that Christmas had come early when the same team that did so poorly on Saturday rolled out. Looked like the two wide men were under orders to stay up & Swindon just said thanks very much and took advantage.

I know Cook talks about Johnson won't be here soon, but in O'Shea, Banks & Roberts we have capable personnel to slot into that spot & still plenty of options in the wider spots.

So why change it. It was very poor today, but when you saw what tactics we were playing in the 1st half, it was all very predictable.


It is strange. You can't have Morsy and Gobern on the pitch at the same time. Playing them 2 and Ryan gives us no attacking flair behind Doyle, and its not like we 're short of it with Banks and O'Shea sitting on the bench. Gotta give Jay O a shot against Yeovil and drop Gobern and put our cm back how it was.
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:17 PM

Ridiculous decision to leave Johnson out fro. The beginning. I'd have almost understood it if we'd won last Saturday without him. Bringing him on early in second half confirms that leaving him out is a very poor tactical decision.

Morsey and Ryan are so much better when playing next to each other. I don't think Govern is a bad player but the formation doesn't work.

I feel for the defence as they had absolutely no support from midfield...
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:18 PM

Apart from a bright opening ten minutes , we were beaten by a far better team.
Worry is we have used another wage on yet another midfielder when it's crying out for another option up front.

Why can't you mr Cook sign a striker.

They made use of the pace throughout there team and number 3 Byrne had a field day. He had so much space to run at our defence and we couldn't defend it.
They forced us out wide to put crosses in knowing that we didn't have anyone to get on the end of it.
Oh for an Ernie Moss to be on the end of some of them crosses.
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:24 PM

View PostExharboroughspireite, on 28 October 2014 - 10:09 PM, said:

They wouldn't have been able to cover both fullbacks as Cook was expecting someone to do.....or just hoping their management team didn't notice the acres of green space in front of our full backs.



Darwikwa plays better with Bocco in front of him.

View PostSpireiteFitzy, on 28 October 2014 - 10:10 PM, said:

It is strange. You can't have Morsy and Gobern on the pitch at the same time. Playing them 2 and Ryan gives us no attacking flair behind Doyle, and its not like we 're short of it with Banks and O'Shea sitting on the bench. Gotta give Jay O a shot against Yeovil and drop Gobern and put our cm back how it was.



Send Gobern back, he's no better than what we already have at the club.
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:26 PM

View Postbucko, on 28 October 2014 - 10:18 PM, said:

Apart from a bright opening ten minutes , we were beaten by a far better team.
Worry is we have used another wage on yet another midfielder when it's crying out for another option up front.

Why can't you mr Cook sign a striker.

They made use of the pace throughout there team and number 3 Byrne had a field day. He had so much space to run at our defence and we couldn't defend it.
They forced us out wide to put crosses in knowing that we didn't have anyone to get on the end of it.
Oh for an Ernie Moss to be on the end of some of them crosses.



Or even Ivan Hollett, we are so weak in the air.
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:28 PM

View Postlindave, on 28 October 2014 - 10:24 PM, said:

Darwikwa plays better with Bocco in front of him.




Send Gobern back, he's no better than what we already have at the club.


Gardner started the game like an express train but he can't run at full pelt all the way back to jones if we lose the ball he isn't mo far ah it's asking far too much
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:32 PM

Let's not play down what was a very very good Swindon team performance. They were superior to us in every department tonight and for me were the best side I've seen up here this season.
But the tactics we played seemed to leave a big big gap between the midfield and the attack which meant whenever we ventured forward by the time we eventually made it into the final third of the pitch it was either mopped up or they got plenty of bodies back to help the defenders.
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:40 PM

View Postlindave, on 28 October 2014 - 10:24 PM, said:

Darwikwa plays better with Bocco in front of him.




Send Gobern back, he's no better than what we already have at the club.

Can't

For me, bring on a basically untried, young unproven winger rather than either one of two quality, proven attacking midfielders was a major headscratcher!!!

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Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:56 PM

View PostSammy Spireite, on 28 October 2014 - 10:40 PM, said:

Can't

For me, bring on a basically untried, young unproven winger rather than either one of two quality, proven attacking midfielders was a major headscratcher!!!



View PostSammy Spireite, on 28 October 2014 - 10:40 PM, said:

Can't

For me, bring on a basically untried, young unproven winger rather than either one of two quality, proven attacking midfielders was a major headscratcher!!!



View PostSammy Spireite, on 28 October 2014 - 10:40 PM, said:

Can't

For me, bring on a basically untried, young unproven winger rather than either one of two quality, proven attacking midfielders was a major headscratcher!!!

The game was lost at 3-0 mate. An exercise in giving him pitch time that's all and he did OK.

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Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:57 PM

View PostExharboroughspireite, on 28 October 2014 - 10:02 PM, said:

Thanks for putting this, I've just stuck something similar on the other thread. Awful tactics from cook in terms of leaving both full backs with no cover. I'm worried about his lack of plan b, his failure to get hold of a decent right back and leaving us with only one striker. We look like a side of league two players trying to hack it. As for whoever is supposedly training the back four they need to be sacked in the morning.


Yet our Right Back was our MOM by a country mile.

Our Left Back was poor though and we are still waiting for the two Centre Backs to look like a unit.

Then, if tactically, the manager decides to break up our best Central Midfield pairing and play a loanee that doesn't look like he will get match fit before his loan is up there is a problem.

On Saturday, he preferred to play one of our injury prone players, instead of another loanee who has impressed, resulting in that player, Roberts, being unavailable for two to three weeks at a very critical time of the year. Points are more important than giving minutes to some of our own so called flair players.

It seems that since holding the runaway leaders, Bristol, until the last minute PC has lost confidence and the team are beginning to follow suit as certain players do not appear to know what their job is in the set-up.
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:58 PM

Gboly did well when he came on and he can put a ball in.
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 11:00 PM

View PostSammy Spireite, on 28 October 2014 - 10:40 PM, said:

Can't

For me, bring on a basically untried, young unproven winger rather than either one of two quality, proven attacking midfielders was a major headscratcher!!!



It's not the first time I've said this but cook hasn't got the ability tactically to change things during a match, he makes weird substitutions, unnecessary switches in formation and baffles the fans so imagine the players. I've said this last season and I'll say it again, his tactical ability isn't up to scratch, put him against a manager with some tactical prowess and see him get his bottom wiped.

There wasn't any reason to change it during the Oldham game, then he goes on record about big changes and has messed up the last three games completely. Play your strongest team end of.

The problem now is the players haven't got a settled side or settled positions and it shows in the lack of confidence.


A few questions to ask....


Why leave Johnson out of the starting line up for the last three games ?
Why sign a defensive midfielder and break up morsy and Ryan partnership?
What has boco done wrong? He won balls in the air as an outlet, contributed a few goals and provided cover defensively on the right.
Why only have one striker?
Why sign numerous midfielders in the same position then moan they all can't play or both can't play together?
Why play a player that isn't 100percent fit and leave Johnson out?
Why spit the dummy out on the radio and rant on about changes when not required?
Why haven't we got an adaptable plan b?
What has happened to tommy?
Where is all the B****Y money going?


My team for Saturday

Tommy
Dave
Evo
Pizza
Jones
Boco
Ryan
Morsy
Clucas
Johnson
Doyle


Players to bring on O'shea, banks, Gardner


Serious serious questions have to be asked about all this tinkering and why?
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 11:02 PM

View PostSammy Spireite, on 28 October 2014 - 10:40 PM, said:

Can't

For me, bring on a basically untried, young unproven winger rather than either one of two quality, proven attacking midfielders was a major headscratcher!!!

Don't see why, ariyibi did nothing wrong really, put a few decent balls into the box he did what wingers do.
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