[calvin plummers socks]

60s 70s Spireite, on 11 July 2020 - 08:28 PM, said:

Yesterday:
Coronavirus pandemic is ‘still accelerating’, WHO director-general warns.
And your evidence is?

In U.K. its now an epidemic (from Boris’s briefing last week).
But what’s in a mane when this govt are in charge ?!

[60s 70s Spireite]

calvin plummers socks, on 11 July 2020 - 08:38 PM, said:

In U.K. its now an epidemic (from Boris’s briefing last week).
But what’s in a mane when this govt are in charge ?!

A pandemic is an epidemic of a disease that occurs over a wide geographic area and affects an exceptionally high proportion of the population.

[JonB]

Laura Scott @LauraScott__
Breaking: Boris Johnson has just said this on return of fans -

“From 1 August...we will pilot larger gatherings in venues like sports stadia with a view to a wider reopening in the autumn”

“From October we intend to bring back audiences in stadia” (subject to success of pilots)

[Paul Fisher]

Herd Immunity has been the governments only strategy since day one.

They were forced into lockdown when they didn't want to.

[Blue5]

JonB, on 17 July 2020 - 10:34 AM, said:

Laura Scott @LauraScott__
Breaking: Boris Johnson has just said this on return of fans -

“From 1 August...we will pilot larger gatherings in venues like sports stadia with a view to a wider reopening in the autumn”

“From October we intend to bring back audiences in stadia” (subject to success of pilots)

Will the football season start with or without fans being able to attend games?

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Pretty sure this is dependent on distancing protocols.

Still at square one.

[azul]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 17 July 2020 - 06:38 PM, said:

Pretty sure this is dependent on distancing protocols.

Still at square one.

Just rip out seats creating gangways and blocks four wide rather than 20, splash a bit of yellow paint and block off every second row.

Don’t allow people to leave their seat unless they’ve booked a toilet visit 24 hours in advance and of course bring your mandatory face mask.

Enjoy the game

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

azul, on 17 July 2020 - 11:04 PM, said:

Just rip out seats creating gangways and blocks four wide rather than 20, splash a bit of yellow paint and block off every second row.

Don’t allow people to leave their seat unless they’ve booked a toilet visit 24 hours in advance and of course bring your mandatory face mask.

Enjoy the game

If the Trust take over I want back in. I want to support them. I want to go to games and chuck some wedge their way.

But surely the whole point of the takeover is to do things properly. And doing things properly has gotta include social distancing. Though sadly no one's yet explained how we can get two, three, or hopefully more thousand into and out the stadium efficiently. How they can spend on the concourse. How limited places are fairly distributed.

Then we still have folk talking of their usual seats amongst their usual companions.

Hopefully (yeah, that word again) proposed trials will supply a few answers. Meanwhile it wouldn't hurt the new owners - and in stark contrast to Carson and Co - to embrace what some 'BB' members have suggested...

[DIFH]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 18 July 2020 - 06:34 AM, said:

If the Trust take over I want back in. I want to support them. I want to go to games and chuck some wedge their way.

But surely the whole point of the takeover is to do things properly. And doing things properly has gotta include social distancing. Though sadly no one's yet explained how we can get two, three, or hopefully more thousand into and out the stadium efficiently. How they can spend on the concourse. How limited places are fairly distributed.

Then we still have folk talking of their usual seats amongst their usual companions.

Hopefully (yeah, that word again) proposed trials will supply a few answers. Meanwhile it wouldn't hurt the new owners - and in stark contrast to Carson and Co - to embrace what some 'BB' members have suggested...

Regular ST holders who wish to preserve 'their' seat should maybe allowed to purchase that ticket for the new season thus giving continuity but the actual seating this season should be controlled by issuing a day ticket of sorts. I can see the arguments already.

This in it's self will be a time consuming exercise especially with recording which section of the stand you watch the game from for contamination tracing.

All in all a big hurdle but a problem that needs solving to provide the necessary income for the club.

[dim view]

DIFH, on 20 July 2020 - 09:40 AM, said:

All in all a big hurdle but a problem that needs solving to provide the necessary income for the club.

We could perhaps start the process by asking Ashley to estimate the cost of removing and storing the requisite number of rows of seats. That will ramp up the necessary income by, guessing, thousands of pounds. Or do you leave 'em in situ and just tape them off?

[calvin plummers socks]

dim view, on 20 July 2020 - 09:58 AM, said:

We could perhaps start the process by asking Ashley to estimate the cost of removing and storing the requisite number of rows of seats. That will ramp up the necessary income by, guessing, thousands of pounds. Or do you leave 'em in situ and just tape them off?

Why remove?
Just a sticker saying not in use (although as most fans can’t sit in their designated seat when away from home it may be best to remove)!!

[DIFH]

calvin plummers socks, on 20 July 2020 - 01:35 PM, said:

Why remove?
Just a sticker saying not in use (although as most fans can’t sit in their designated seat when away from home it may be best to remove)!!

We should have a rogues gallery in Derbyshire Crimes each week.

[JonB]

calvin plummers socks, on 20 July 2020 - 01:35 PM, said:

Why remove?
Just a sticker saying not in use (although as most fans can’t sit in their designated seat when away from home it may be best to remove)!!

Presumably they need to be removed to allow for people to pass at a safe distance as much as not sitting on them. If you leave them in place folk still have to squeeze past each other to get in and out.

[CFC91]

JonB, on 20 July 2020 - 02:13 PM, said:

Presumably they need to be removed to allow for people to pass at a safe distance as much as not sitting on them. If you leave them in place folk still have to squeeze past each other to get in and out.

No other sports or stadiums throughout the world that are allowing spectators back in are doing any of this so doubt we will.

Reckon we will have a couple of PSFs at 25%, maybe start the season in Sept at 40% and gradually ramp up to 100%.

[Westbars Spireite]

CFC91, on 20 July 2020 - 03:47 PM, said:

No other sports or stadiums throughout the world that are allowing spectators back in are doing any of this so doubt we will.

Reckon we will have a couple of PSFs at 25%, maybe start the season in Sept at 40% and gradually ramp up to 100%.

100% won't be needed for a while!

[Looker-on]

dim view, on 20 July 2020 - 09:58 AM, said:

We could perhaps start the process by asking Ashley to estimate the cost of removing and storing the requisite number of rows of seats. That will ramp up the necessary income by, guessing, thousands of pounds. Or do you leave 'em in situ and just tape them off?

You leave them. The cost of removal, storage and eventual reinstallation is, as you say, a big chunk of money wasted. Take out 6000 seats and there might be 24,000 threaded metal studs sticking out of the concrete, ready for people to trip or catch themselves on. (The seats might be bolted into threaded sockets, but I fancy they're on studding.) If you take them out so that people can use the row in front as a gangway then you'll have to provide additional steps, which would probably prevent its use as a gangway anyway, and which will all have to come out when you increase the capacity. You probably still wouldn't be 1m away from someone in a seat if you walked along the row in front. You might even have to provide a safety rail to prevent people falling off their row into the newly-created gangway in front, as it'll be enough of a drop to excite the safety officer.

You can make things a bit easier by staggering used seats up and down rows (so that instead of using four sets of seats on row D and none on row C, say, you'd allocate two sets of seats on each, suitably distanced.) That way, you might get away without having to squeeze past anyone on the same row, and the momentary closeness as someone on one row walks past someone on the row behind would be assessed as an acceptable risk, perhaps.

[BurySpireite]

Spire_78, on 11 July 2020 - 06:32 PM, said:

It's not a pandemic, it's a manageable epidemic which was only ever going to affect a minuscule proportion of the population.

It affected more than a miniscule proportion of the population even WITH shutting down the entire country and keeping everyone in doors for months, how wilfilly ignorant do you have to be to parrot out Bunkum like this?

[DIFH]

Looker-on, on 20 July 2020 - 05:09 PM, said:

You leave them. The cost of removal, storage and eventual reinstallation is, as you say, a big chunk of money wasted. Take out 6000 seats and there might be 24,000 threaded metal studs sticking out of the concrete, ready for people to trip or catch themselves on. (The seats might be bolted into threaded sockets, but I fancy they're on studding.) If you take them out so that people can use the row in front as a gangway then you'll have to provide additional steps, which would probably prevent its use as a gangway anyway, and which will all have to come out when you increase the capacity. You probably still wouldn't be 1m away from someone in a seat if you walked along the row in front. You might even have to provide a safety rail to prevent people falling off their row into the newly-created gangway in front, as it'll be enough of a drop to excite the safety officer.

You can make things a bit easier by staggering used seats up and down rows (so that instead of using four sets of seats on row D and none on row C, say, you'd allocate two sets of seats on each, suitably distanced.) That way, you might get away without having to squeeze past anyone on the same row, and the momentary closeness as someone on one row walks past someone on the row behind would be assessed as an acceptable risk, perhaps.

The actual stadium seating is the easy problem seeing as we're all facing the back of the head of the guys in front of us.

Movement whilst in the ground is the greater issue.