[fishini]

The Tory peer who has since made a groveling apology shows us all how they think. What decent human being thinks the disabled should work for less than the minimum wage. Seems that £2 an hour is OK if you are disabled. Evil person and evil party

[dalekpete]

fishini, on 15 October 2014 - 08:26 PM, said:

The Tory peer who has since made a groveling apology shows us all how they think. What decent human being thinks the disabled should work for less than the minimum wage. Seems that £2 an hour is OK if you are disabled. Evil person and evil party

Lord Freud is not a traditional Tory. He was used as a special advisor by the last Labour administration looking at welfare reform. The Conservatives offered him a peerage in 2009 so he could continue his work as a Member of Parliament only then did he join the Tory Party. He gave up a multi-million pound city salary for his £50k Lords allowance!

The issue is that employment among the disabled is so much lower than the rest of the working-age population. Fraud said in his answer that this needed to be addressed. For all that we have had DEAs, DTC, DDA and Access to Work the numbers of people with disabilities in work have not risen for twenty years.

[Wooden Spoon]

A friend of my wife is in a wheelchair. He works in Morrisons on the tills. One of the friendliest and helpfull chaps there. This comment is absolutely disgusting.

[A Spireite]

dalekpete, on 15 October 2014 - 09:38 PM, said:

Lord Freud is not a traditional Tory. He was used as a special advisor by the last Labour administration looking at welfare reform. The Conservatives offered him a peerage in 2009 so he could continue his work as a Member of Parliament only then did he join the Tory Party. He gave up a multi-million pound city salary for his £50k Lords allowance!

The issue is that employment among the disabled is so much lower than the rest of the working-age population. Fraud said in his answer that this needed to be addressed. For all that we have had DEAs, DTC, DDA and Access to Work the numbers of people with disabilities in work have not risen for twenty years.

Pete, leaving party politics aside, the utterance of this unelected privileged member of the Lords was totally unacceptable by any standards; whatever the claimed motivation. To suggest that any person with a disability should be paid a paltry £2 ph is a reflection of the sad depths to which our society has been dragged, where our masters have a price for everything and a value for nothing. I'm sick to death of listening to the same masters telling us constantly about the virtues of work only for many multimillionaire employers to pay wages that ensure their workers can be labeled as "scroungers" when they need to claim benefits to reach the breadline. This latest suggestion, if implemented; would create a huge demand for this large pool of potential cheap labour which could be exploited beyond imagination. Is this the kind of society we want --------- count me out.

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[fishini]

A Spireite, on 16 October 2014 - 08:31 PM, said:

Pete, leaving party politics aside, the utterance of this unelected privileged member of the Lords was totally unacceptable by any standards; whatever the claimed motivation. To suggest that any person with a disability should be paid a paltry £2 ph is a reflection of the sad depths to which our society has been dragged, where our masters have a price for everything and a value for nothing. I sick to death of listening to the same masters telling us constantly about the virtues of work only for many multimillionaire employers to pay wages that ensure their workers can be labeled as "scroungers" when they need to claim benefits to reach the breadline. This latest suggestion, if implemented would create a huge demand for this large pool of potential cheap labour which could be exploited beyond imagination. Is this the kind of society we want --------- count me out.

Its not a society that I want either. However history has shown over and over again it is the society that the Tory scum drool over. They talk the caring talk but don't be fooled, they have never been a caring party. They would love to rid us of the NHS and minimum wage if they could. Anyone remember when all the patients with mental problems were thrown on the street by the hitch? Caring lol. Care about the top 1% and the rest mean nothing to them. However they have been bettered by the new British Nazi party the SKIP who are so far right they make the Tory t**ts look like communists

[Phil V 72]

fishini, on 16 October 2014 - 09:04 PM, said:

Its not a society that I want either. However history has shown over and over again it is the society that the Tory scum drool over. They talk the caring talk but don't be fooled, they have never been a caring party. They would love to rid us of the NHS and minimum wage if they could. Anyone remember when all the patients with mental problems were thrown on the street by the hitch? Caring lol. Care about the top 1% and the rest mean nothing to them. However they have been bettered by the new British Nazi party the SKIP who are so far right they make the Tory t**ts look like communists

The Tory party are concerned with retaining power for the sons of gentry and always have been. The Labour Party have betrayed their roots and are now filled with "trendy metropolitan liberals who feel guilty about having money".

I do hope that these 2 massive behemoths are reaching the end of their natural life and that proper parties can arise from their demise - a Conservative party (not a Tory Party) who actually seek to preserve institutions and a Labour party who fights for the rights of workers rather than the fads of the Guardian.

UKIP will not last, it's a gimmicky one-note rag tag, but it could do some real damage next year and I for one will be watching with popcorn...

[Halcyon]

Has anyone actually listened to what he said when he was secretly recorded? He did not say that all disabled people should be paid £2 per hour.

[Mr Mercury]

dalekpete, on 15 October 2014 - 09:38 PM, said:

Lord Freud is not a traditional Tory. He was used as a special advisor by the last Labour administration looking at welfare reform. The Conservatives offered him a peerage in 2009 so he could continue his work as a Member of Parliament only then did he join the Tory Party. He gave up a multi-million pound city salary for his £50k Lords allowance!

The issue is that employment among the disabled is so much lower than the rest of the working-age population. Fraud said in his answer that this needed to be addressed. For all that we have had DEAs, DTC, DDA and Access to Work the numbers of people with disabilities in work have not risen for twenty years.

His current income is irrelevant given what hell have in his bank account, and of course he'll use his political standing for the multi million pound consultancy market in future years ..bad example pete!

[Mr Mercury]

NOKIN, on 17 October 2014 - 11:49 AM, said:

So are you saying every single Tory thinks the same about the disabled as this Lord Clown?

No but I would imagine the higher up the party you go the more the percentage increases..

[dalekpete]

Mr Mercury, on 17 October 2014 - 07:15 PM, said:

His current income is irrelevant given what hell have in his bank account, and of course he'll use his political standing for the multi million pound consultancy market in future years ..bad example pete!

When I worked he was one of my Ministers but I never met him, however I understood that he took a conscious decision to give up his career for public service. I have little doubt he has more in his bank then I will see in my lifetime but if you are looking at people who have cut their earnings to help society then we might have some commonality.

[trickytrevsfanclub]

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Has anyone actually listened to what he said when he was secretly recorded? He did not say that all disabled people should be paid £2 per hour.

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[Mr Mercury]

dalekpete, on 17 October 2014 - 07:38 PM, said:

When I worked he was one of my Ministers but I never met him, however I understood that he took a conscious decision to give up his career for public service. I have little doubt he has more in his bank then I will see in my lifetime but if you are looking at people who have cut their earnings to help society then we might have some commonality.

The cut in earnings is only relevant when you examine the starting point and whole picture.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

dalekpete, on 17 October 2014 - 07:38 PM, said:

When I worked he was one of my Ministers but I never met him, however I understood that he took a conscious decision to give up his career for public service. I have little doubt he has more in his bank then I will see in my lifetime but if you are looking at people who have cut their earnings to help society then we might have some commonality.

Do you get to the stage when you have so much money that the peerage becomes more important than the job?

[dalekpete]

Mr Mercury, on 17 October 2014 - 08:05 PM, said:

The cut in earnings is only relevant when you examine the starting point and whole picture.

I agree to an extent but Freud does not accept his Lords allowances or his ministerial pay nor did he take a salary for his charity work done since his early retirement almost a decade ago. He seems to have no aim to go back into business as he became disillusioned with commerce hence his charity and social reform role.

[fishini]

dalekpete, on 17 October 2014 - 08:31 PM, said:

I agree to an extent but Freud does not accept his Lords allowances or his ministerial pay nor did he take a salary for his charity work done since his early retirement almost a decade ago. He seems to have no aim to go back into business as he became disillusioned with commerce hence his charity and social reform role.

This little Angel of yours still said that the disabled should work for less than everyone else. You obviously to a degree agree with him it seems.

[dalekpete]

fishini, on 17 October 2014 - 10:04 PM, said:

This little Angel of yours still said that the disabled should work for less than everyone else. You obviously to a degree agree with him it seems.

No I don't, I support reasonable adjustments and the support of Access to Work so there is as close to equality as possible. However I still don't think this means people with disabilities get a fair chance. More prescriptive regulations might be needed to open up opportunities to people with disabilities.

As I saw it the question in this case was about those who despite the best support might not offer anything like a commercial level of service and whether there should be state support to underwrite reasonable therapeutic employment. Freud suggested a notional wage might be boosted by Universal Credit. That doesn't seem viable and he was stupid to speculate when the question was asked.

[Search & Destroy]

The Tories can say/do whatever they like, makes no difference to me, I'd never vote Labour again after the failed social experiment on immigration.

[calvin plummers socks]

Search and Destroy, on 18 October 2014 - 08:12 AM, said:

The Tories can say/do whatever they like, makes no difference to me, I'd never vote Labour again after the failed social experiment on immigration.

Never an opportunity to have a moan at immigrants!

Don't forget without immigration we wouldn't be watching Doyle, Ryan, O'Shea, Darikwa, Johnson, Morsi .........

[fishini]

Search and Destroy, on 18 October 2014 - 08:12 AM, said:

The Tories can say/do whatever they like, makes no difference to me, I'd never vote Labour again after the failed social experiment on immigration.

You are bordering on the verge of a paranoid racist. You are becoming nastier by the day