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#1 User is offline   Search & Destroy 

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Posted 21 May 2017 - 10:41 PM

10% of £10m?
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Posted 21 May 2017 - 10:44 PM

Aren't gingers a minority, though?
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Posted 21 May 2017 - 11:33 PM

Doesnt matter how much we get it'll all be swallowed up by Allens mismanagement and we'll be back to square one again.
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 06:05 AM

Who's rumoured to be paying £10m?
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 06:06 AM

View PostMr Mercury, on 22 May 2017 - 06:05 AM, said:

Who's rumoured to be paying £10m?

Newcastle have been sniffing since January
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 06:14 AM

View PostSearch and Destroy, on 21 May 2017 - 10:41 PM, said:

10% of £10m?


At the time it was reported as no sell on, later on a small sell on. I would suggest 10% is a normal sell on, so if there is one I wouldn't expect higher than 5%
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 07:10 AM

View Postvalemadness, on 22 May 2017 - 06:14 AM, said:

At the time it was reported as no sell on, later on a small sell on. I would suggest 10% is a normal sell on, so if there is one I wouldn't expect higher than 5%

agreed

of which Mansfield will be due some (25% IIRC?)
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 07:23 AM

View PostSammy Spireite, on 22 May 2017 - 07:10 AM, said:

agreed

of which Mansfield will be due some (25% IIRC?)


Haven't they already received their cut when we sold him?

http://www.derbyshir...gthen-1-7378108

This post has been edited by Darcy Sarto: 22 May 2017 - 07:25 AM

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 07:33 AM

View PostDarcy Sarto, on 22 May 2017 - 07:23 AM, said:

Haven't they already received their cut when we sold him?

http://www.derbyshir...gthen-1-7378108

Saunders quote brings a lump to your throat doesn't it? 'Shopping at M & S not Lidl'. Presumably after that he blew all our available resources on the wages of SEB, Herd and Martinez; rather than a Clucas type replacement at a reasonable fee from say a League Two club.
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 07:39 AM

View PostDarcy Sarto, on 22 May 2017 - 07:23 AM, said:

Haven't they already received their cut when we sold him?

http://www.derbyshir...gthen-1-7378108

In theory the sell on is part of the deal when we sold him so they are entitled to some of it.
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 07:41 AM

View PostJonB, on 22 May 2017 - 07:39 AM, said:

In theory the sell on is part of the deal when we sold him so they are entitled to some of it.


So we have to give them a cut of any sale twice?
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 07:57 AM

View PostJonB, on 22 May 2017 - 07:39 AM, said:

In theory the sell on is part of the deal when we sold him so they are entitled to some of it.

No, they had their percentage after we sold him, any sell on is now ours alone.
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 08:10 AM

View PostJonB, on 22 May 2017 - 07:39 AM, said:

In theory the sell on is part of the deal when we sold him so they are entitled to some of it.

They only get the cut from our sale not anybody else's. Would have saved us when Kevin Davies was flogged if that was a rule..
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 08:15 AM

View PostMr Mercury, on 22 May 2017 - 07:57 AM, said:

No, they had their percentage after we sold him, any sell on is now ours alone.

although we don't know the details of this deals, normal 'sell ons' aren't limited.

Hypothetically:

we sold him for £1.3m and Mansfield had a 20% sell on, so we paid them £250k

we then get a further £1m when he's sold by Hull to 'X', Mansfield would then be entitled to another £200k.

of course the rumoured sell on agreement with Hull was said to be 'low' so any % to Mansfield from that would be minimal anyway.
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 08:32 AM

View PostDarcy Sarto, on 22 May 2017 - 07:41 AM, said:

So we have to give them a cut of any sale twice?

View PostMr Mercury, on 22 May 2017 - 07:57 AM, said:

No, they had their percentage after we sold him, any sell on is now ours alone.

View PostCFC91, on 22 May 2017 - 08:10 AM, said:

They only get the cut from our sale not anybody else's. Would have saved us when Kevin Davies was flogged if that was a rule..

Could well be wrong and all depends on the agreement we reached with Mansfield when buying him but it could be deemed that any sell on we get from Hull is still part of us selling him to which they are entitled a percentage of it.
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 08:47 AM

View PostSammy Spireite, on 22 May 2017 - 07:10 AM, said:

agreed

of which Mansfield will be due some (25% IIRC?)


You don't get a sell on, on a previous sell on?
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 08:58 AM

View PostErnie Ernie Ernie, on 22 May 2017 - 08:47 AM, said:

You don't get a sell on, on a previous sell on?

why not?

a sell on is a percentage on any future fee you receive for a player, so money received as sell on is part of a fee received surely?

I'm sure money filtered down the line when Folan went from Wigan to Hull for £1M and we had to pay Leeds a few £K's

Either way, without knowing the details of Clucas deal to bring him here, or to sell him to Hull, its all hypothetical.
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 09:37 AM

Agree about Folan...sure something happened there as well that money filtered down based on sell ons etc.

Its all going to be down to what agreement was reached but if the sell on is based on any money we receive for said player then money received as part of the sell on is included.
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 11:43 AM

View PostSammy Spireite, on 22 May 2017 - 08:58 AM, said:

why not?

a sell on is a percentage on any future fee you receive for a player, so money received as sell on is part of a fee received surely?

I'm sure money filtered down the line when Folan went from Wigan to Hull for £1M and we had to pay Leeds a few £K's

Either way, without knowing the details of Clucas deal to bring him here, or to sell him to Hull, its all hypothetical.


It would be unusual for a second sell on rather than it being the norm.
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 12:17 PM

View PostErnie Ernie Ernie, on 22 May 2017 - 11:43 AM, said:

It would be unusual for a second sell on rather than it being the norm.

http://www.derbyshir...lucas-1-8555614
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