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The Morning After - Where Are We?

#21 User is offline   Hoare (400) 

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Posted 23 October 2016 - 09:29 AM

View Postmartatcross, on 23 October 2016 - 09:24 AM, said:

He doesn't care. Wonder what he would do from a business prospective if people stopped going to the dogs or his casinos


He has a choice, invest some cash, or get the directors to, or have a club that doesn't make enough money to pay him his percentage, and is worthless to any future investors.


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Posted 23 October 2016 - 09:30 AM

View PostHoare (400), on 23 October 2016 - 09:22 AM, said:

Not disagreeing with that, but if the chairman thinks we will be flocking through the turn styles to watch 2nd division rubbish, he really doesn't know anything about football or the people of Chesterfield.


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As I said on here a while ago, I believe he probably thinks our crowds are getting so low as we struggle more and more in L1, that the numbers would remain about the same in L2 or even increase with better results. By the way, the official crowd announced on Saturday was literally unbelievable.
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Posted 23 October 2016 - 09:32 AM

Sadly I think many fans been so fed up, will just think so what, cant see the heady days of big attendances to watch 2nd division rubbish been repeated.

The club is also carrying far to much behind the scenes baggage this time as well.


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Posted 23 October 2016 - 09:33 AM

View Postsophocles, on 23 October 2016 - 09:30 AM, said:

By the way, the official crowd announced on Saturday was literally unbelievable.


What do you mean?
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Posted 23 October 2016 - 09:37 AM

I mentioned the attendance figure in another thread. Even allowing for up to 10% of ST holders not attending for one reason or another (and even given the 1000+ from Scunthorpe), the given figure was well over the number in the ground. It was the same at the Fleetwood game too.
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Posted 23 October 2016 - 09:40 AM

View PostSpire-Heights, on 23 October 2016 - 09:33 AM, said:

What do you mean?

I mean if you subtracted the number of Scunthorpe fans announced from the total announced, it was blindingly obvious just from observation that the remaining total was far higher than the numbers in the home areas. That is even if a number of season ticket holders who didn't turn up were included. The only explanation other than an incorrect number being announced,is that a huge number of ST holders didn't bother to turn up.

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Posted 23 October 2016 - 09:43 AM

View PostMr Mercury, on 23 October 2016 - 08:48 AM, said:

TBH I think we are dead in the water. Even if we did great buisness in January and changed the manager if needed I honestly think we'll be cut adrift way before then. It was total suicide to go into the post window period with the squad we had. So it now proves.

Who would run a business? In a way I just don't know what we could have done in August, we had the cumulative wages of ebanks Blake, lee, jones, Martinez effectively dead in the water, contracted and there was a possibility two of them would never be any use to us. Whatever you think of the people who run this club, there are not many chairmen who would just match that amount of wages in a third division team.
Yes there is a lot wrong here, but we have had some urine poor luck as well.
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Posted 23 October 2016 - 10:08 AM

Morgan spends 90 minutes having a go at the 4th official who can't do anything about in the field decisions, he should concentrate on the team
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Posted 23 October 2016 - 11:45 AM

View Postsmiffy, on 23 October 2016 - 09:14 AM, said:

My opinion is that this is not Danny's fault. He's inherited a poor side and a lot of baggage that's going to cling on until the end of their contracts. The little bit of movement he's had in the transfer market has been very restricted, so the people he's brought in have been bargain basement . We have a starting 11 that has got a few quality players in there but also has some boys in there that are not ready. The bench is not as good as the 1st team so we are unlikely to change the game dramatically from there.If the board sack Danny do you think the next man is going to inherit a bigger budget? Not a chance. If they sack Danny they will probably have to pay some sort of compensation.
I think we will have to bite the bullet this year ,relegation is the most likely ,just scraping through and avoiding the drop is probably the best we can hope for.Let Danny get the dead wood out of the team at the end of the season. He will have had ample time to know who's good enough .Who else has has as much experience as him?


I would agree that it's not Danny's fault at all. We ALL know who's fault it is.
But, he hasn't done anything to help the situation. HIS signings are average at best and very poor in cases - Liddle being a prime example.
His tactics are ridiculously negative. Yes, injuries haven't helped. Has anyone asked why we get so many injuries? Look at the fitness (or lack of it) coach.
We can't afford to sack him. Let's hope he walks. For his own integrity's sake if nothing else.
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Posted 23 October 2016 - 12:18 PM

View Postmartatcross, on 23 October 2016 - 09:24 AM, said:

He doesn't care. Wonder what he would do from a business prospective if people stopped going to the dogs or his casinos

Of course he cares, he has £9M tied up with the club and a healthy 5% coming in.

What exactly he cares about is a matter of speculation
Accentuate th Positive, eliminate the negative
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Posted 23 October 2016 - 12:46 PM

View Postsmiffy, on 23 October 2016 - 09:14 AM, said:

My opinion is that this is not Danny's fault. He's inherited a poor side and a lot of baggage that's going to cling on until the end of their contracts. The little bit of movement he's had in the transfer market has been very restricted, so the people he's brought in have been bargain basement . We have a starting 11 that has got a few quality players in there but also has some boys in there that are not ready. The bench is not as good as the 1st team so we are unlikely to change the game dramatically from there.If the board sack Danny do you think the next man is going to inherit a bigger budget? Not a chance. If they sack Danny they will probably have to pay some sort of compensation.
I think we will have to bite the bullet this year ,relegation is the most likely ,just scraping through and avoiding the drop is probably the best we can hope for.Let Danny get the dead wood out of the team at the end of the season. He will have had ample time to know who's good enough .Who else has has as much experience as him?

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Posted 23 October 2016 - 12:55 PM

View Postsmiffy, on 23 October 2016 - 09:14 AM, said:

My opinion is that this is not Danny's fault. He's inherited a poor side and a lot of baggage that's going to cling on until the end of their contracts. The little bit of movement he's had in the transfer market has been very restricted, so the people he's brought in have been bargain basement . We have a starting 11 that has got a few quality players in there but also has some boys in there that are not ready. The bench is not as good as the 1st team so we are unlikely to change the game dramatically from there.If the board sack Danny do you think the next man is going to inherit a bigger budget? Not a chance. If they sack Danny they will probably have to pay some sort of compensation.
I think we will have to bite the bullet this year ,relegation is the most likely ,just scraping through and avoiding the drop is probably the best we can hope for.Let Danny get the dead wood out of the team at the end of the season. He will have had ample time to know who's good enough .Who else has has as much experience as him?


Totally agree don't matter who the manager is. thay would have the same problem Danny got no money to bring decent players in. we stuck and it won't change unless Dave Allen sell's the club .people on here that think sacking Wilson we change things on the pitch are clutching at straws Imo.
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Posted 23 October 2016 - 01:31 PM

View PostSpire-Heights, on 23 October 2016 - 09:27 AM, said:

Chesterfield Fans did flock through the turnstiles to watch league 2 though. What were the attendances for the last 2 home games in 2011 and 2014? And what was the average attendance for home fans in during those seasons?


Not this time round. Was bad enough last time round, entirely predictable, and met with cries of 'we learnt our lesson'

There is a stubborn mood of 'you're taking the p**s and we're not having it' in my opinion.

Dee-dahs might be the tightest and possibly most stubborn in the land (excepting the jocks, obvs), but Cestrefeldians don't appreciate being shat on. And this time there's a nine million pound debt looming over the club.
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Posted 23 October 2016 - 01:42 PM

View PostKevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 23 October 2016 - 01:31 PM, said:

Not this time round. Was bad enough last time round.


Did you not enjoy the two seasons we won the league? I did TBH.
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Posted 23 October 2016 - 01:52 PM

View PostSpire-Heights, on 23 October 2016 - 01:42 PM, said:

Did you not enjoy the two seasons we won the league? I did TBH.


I don't appreciate people p*****g on my back and telling me it's raining!

Everyone enjoys success, but DA wants to do it for buttons, with a load of players he gets for nowt. And I don't know how our club is sustainable under that model, or any other tbh, with a debt of nine million. As you need to attract people to pay to watch it (not going well is it.. and ST's will be down substantially regardless of relegation next year)

We need league one football, with decent crowds. Though even with that model we seemed to fail to make money.

Too many pigs in the trough.
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Posted 23 October 2016 - 01:54 PM

View PostKevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 23 October 2016 - 01:52 PM, said:

I don't appreciate people p*****g on my back and telling me it's raining!

Everyone enjoys success, but DA wants to do it for buttons, with a load of players he gets for nowt. And I don't know how our club is sustainable under that model, or any other tbh, with a debt of nine million. As you need to attract people to pay to watch it (not going well is it.. and ST's will be down substantially regardless of relegation next year)

We need league one football, with decent crowds. Though even with that model we seemed to fail to make money.

Too many pigs in the trough.


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Posted 23 October 2016 - 01:57 PM

View Postsophocles, on 23 October 2016 - 09:40 AM, said:

I mean if you subtracted the number of Scunthorpe fans announced from the total announced, it was blindingly obvious just from observation that the remaining total was far higher than the numbers in the home areas. That is even if a number of season ticket holders who didn't turn up were included. The only explanation other than an incorrect number being announced,is that a huge number of ST holders didn't bother to turn up.


We count them whether they turn up or not, as do most clubs.
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Posted 23 October 2016 - 02:01 PM

I thought O'Neil and German both had decent games.
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Posted 23 October 2016 - 02:10 PM

View PostWestbars Spireite, on 23 October 2016 - 01:57 PM, said:

We count them whether they turn up or not, as do most clubs.


I think that is perhaps the most worrying thing. People who have paid for a seat think the football is so bad that they are prepared to lose money rather than turn up.

If the three wise monkeys think people will flock to watch us in the basement next year, they've another think coming. I'd suggest that even if we stay up, we'll still lose many of them.
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Posted 23 October 2016 - 02:23 PM

View PostAngel Is A Spireite, on 23 October 2016 - 02:01 PM, said:

I thought O'Neil and German both had decent games.


I agree, until they both tired.

When McGinn is fit and if ever Jones is also fit, never mind the continuously absent Angel, Danny might have the sort of problems he should like - selection problems.
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