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Average League 2 Attendances By Ratio Of Population

#1 User is offline   DerbySpireite59 

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Posted 20 March 2018 - 10:28 PM

https://www.somerset...-ranked-1363632

We're in the play-offs!
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Posted 20 March 2018 - 10:41 PM

The problem here is the accuracy of population figures. Does anyone believe for example that half of the population of Nailsworth watch FGR?!

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Posted 21 March 2018 - 05:26 AM

We've cheated to get in the play offs then seeing as we count 500+ no shows in our attendance every game, not sure if the other clubs do or not as the EFL scandalously refuse to disclose the true attendances (fans at the game) thus cheating fans and sponsors alike !
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Posted 21 March 2018 - 07:20 AM

View PostDerbySpireite54, on 20 March 2018 - 10:28 PM, said:


This is a worthless exercise because it doesn’t reflect the size of the urban areas in which the clubs are located. By explanation, in our case it won’t include supporters, of whom there are many from, for example, Holymoorside, Wingerworth, Tupton, Grassmoor, parts of Hasland, Calow and more, all of which lie outside the Borough in North East Derbyshire District. If this research is to be taken seriously, it needs a lot more work on the basis for the comparisons. On the other hand, as we know, these people never let the truth influence the headlines.
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Posted 21 March 2018 - 07:26 AM

I don't think it seeks to be a serious exercise.

For Grimsby the population of Cleethorpes is used while Barnet's is used when they play outside their borough.
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Posted 21 March 2018 - 07:29 AM

Not having checked the attendances this season (does anyone know a site that lists these with the results like Football 365 used to?) I was surprised with how high Lincoln’s is - they used to be a 2-3000 team like Colchester and Mansfield! Just shows the non-league is not the end - provided you dump your rotten chairman...
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Posted 21 March 2018 - 08:53 AM

Bit harsh on Barnet too (as they don't even play in LB Barnet)!
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Posted 21 March 2018 - 09:18 AM

View PostNerima Spireite, on 21 March 2018 - 07:29 AM, said:

Not having checked the attendances this season (does anyone know a site that lists these with the results like Football 365 used to?) I was surprised with how high Lincoln’s is - they used to be a 2-3000 team like Colchester and Mansfield! Just shows the non-league is not the end - provided you dump your rotten chairman...

The population figures for us and Mansfield may be comparable. We are better supported despite having our worst and best seasons respectively for probably 20 years.
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Posted 21 March 2018 - 10:57 AM

View PostSpire-Power, on 21 March 2018 - 09:18 AM, said:

The population figures for us and Mansfield may be comparable. We are better supported despite having our worst and best seasons respectively for probably 20 years.


It would be closer with our actual attendance figures. Mansfield at least report in true figures rather than our massaged ones.
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Posted 21 March 2018 - 11:37 AM

View PostWestbars Spireite, on 21 March 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

It would be closer with our actual attendance figures. Mansfield at least report in true figures rather than our massaged ones.


We count those who don't attend with a ticket (season ticket holders on holiday etc) - are you sure Mansfield don't do the same?

I'd have thought they would do for simplicity and I can see why CFC do maybe its to do with accounts/tax although I don't know to be sure

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Posted 21 March 2018 - 11:44 AM

View PostWestbars Spireite, on 21 March 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

It would be closer with our actual attendance figures. Mansfield at least report in true figures rather than our massaged ones.

Including no shows is not messaging figures as those seats have been sold and revenue obtained.

It could be argued that reporting freebies is misleading as no revenue has been obtained
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Posted 21 March 2018 - 11:46 AM

View PostWestbars Spireite, on 21 March 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

It would be closer with our actual attendance figures. Mansfield at least report in true figures rather than our massaged ones.


Tickets sold (i.e. Money collected) is surely more important than how many actually go into stadium anyway?
The actual number fluctuates massively on the day anyway (late walk ups/early leavers etc)
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Posted 21 March 2018 - 11:49 AM

View PostSpired, on 21 March 2018 - 11:37 AM, said:

We count those who don't attend with a ticket (season ticket holders on holiday etc) - are you sure Mansfield don't do the same?

I'd have thought they would do for simplicity and I can see why CFC do maybe its to do with accounts/tax although I don't know to be sure

I suspect they days of fiddling gate receipts by not counting attendees has long gone. In fact if they didn't include seats that were sold but unoccupied some on here would accuse the club fiddling
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Posted 21 March 2018 - 11:54 AM

View PostSpired, on 21 March 2018 - 11:37 AM, said:

We count those who don't attend with a ticket (season ticket holders on holiday etc) - are you sure Mansfield don't do the same?

I'd have thought they would do for simplicity and I can see why CFC do maybe its to do with accounts/tax although I don't know to be sure


Mansfield's attendances are actual attendees.

View Postazul, on 21 March 2018 - 11:44 AM, said:

Including no shows is not messaging figures as those seats have been sold and revenue obtained.

It could be argued that reporting freebies is misleading as no revenue has been obtained


It's massaging them for me as it's misleading when compared with the vast majority of clubs in our division.

Few others, if any, do as we do.

View Postcalvin plummers socks, on 21 March 2018 - 11:46 AM, said:

Tickets sold (i.e. Money collected) is surely more important than how many actually go into stadium anyway?
The actual number fluctuates massively on the day anyway (late walk ups/early leavers etc)


In terms of revenue absolutely.
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Posted 21 March 2018 - 12:17 PM

View PostWestbars Spireite, on 21 March 2018 - 11:54 AM, said:

Mansfield's attendances are actual attendees.
Have they stated this?

It's massaging them for me as it's misleading when compared with the vast majority of clubs in our division.
Perhaps every club with computerised ticketing systems should do it.

Few others, if any, do as we do.
Are you sure, looking at a Mansfield game recently it was very hard to believe when compared to our game there. Doncaster's reported attendances are sometimes laughable


In terms of revenue absolutely.
The bottom line

I know you were only illustrating a point but why do some people get so bothered about it - it's like taking a twig to beat the clubs management of the head with when there is a cudgel available.

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Posted 21 March 2018 - 02:32 PM

View Postazul, on 21 March 2018 - 12:17 PM, said:

I know you were only illustrating a point but why do some people get so bothered about it - it's like taking a twig to beat the clubs management of the head with when there is a cudgel available.


+1 for a marvellous turn of phrase :lol:
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Posted 21 March 2018 - 02:48 PM

View Postazul, on 21 March 2018 - 12:17 PM, said:

...the clubs management....

Erm, do we have one?

Carson is on a self-imposed exile

Dunford does 2/3 days a week depending on home games?

I can't think of anyone else in any kind of authority role, who is there regularly.....
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Posted 21 March 2018 - 03:39 PM

View Postazul, on 21 March 2018 - 12:17 PM, said:

I know you were only illustrating a point but why do some people get so bothered about it - it's like taking a twig to beat the clubs management of the head with when there is a cudgel available.


I'm not the least bit bothered. I just think it's a little dishonest.
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Posted 21 March 2018 - 03:48 PM

View PostWestbars Spireite, on 21 March 2018 - 03:39 PM, said:

I'm not the least bit bothered. I just think it's a little dishonest.


How do you know we are alone in reporting like this? I'd not be surprised if we wasn't alone having been to Doncaster Rovers a few years ago it was clear they must be doing the same to a much higher degree of exaggeration than we had
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Posted 21 March 2018 - 04:22 PM

View PostSpired, on 21 March 2018 - 03:48 PM, said:

How do you know we are alone in reporting like this? I'd not be surprised if we wasn't alone having been to Doncaster Rovers a few years ago it was clear they must be doing the same to a much higher degree of exaggeration than we had


We aren't alone. It's common in the Premier League and less so the further you drop.

I went to the Emirates the other week. Clearly at least 15k empty seats but 58k official attendance.
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