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Posted 08 March 2018 - 01:31 PM

View Postboot, on 08 March 2018 - 09:59 AM, said:

That , and the club remaining in a crippling contrived financial arrangement between Dave Allen and puppet owners would be the final straw for me and I would hope the majority of Spireites.
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I’m with you, too. At this rate, it’ll be the quicker option to start off in the same league as Wingerworth and work our way up than to wait for DA, AC and his cronies to do one. I just want to be free of their rotten, miserable grip for good and don’t care where we are to do that. I’d certainly enjoy my football again playing on the parks in front of a few hundred or fewer with no ball and chain linked to a spiteful casino magnate tied around our necks and a certain Bentley parked nearby.
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 03:21 PM

The Club is for sale and we don't know a price that DA will accept.

This is a far bigger problem than when we had to drum up finances for the DB era and everyone is waiting for a knight in shining armour to appear in Chesterfield. Lot's of hot air & guessing going on which is not helping the club or team at this moment in time. None of us know for sure where we will be playing next year and although I am not a fan of DA, I am certainly grateful to him for getting us to Sheffield Road & creating the fantastic facilities we have. The fans can't really do much more or say anymore to either DA or AC, they get your message loud and clear. Some will still want to chase them after they have gone. The days of tar & feathering have gone!!

Every problem needs to find a solution and the problem the fans have is that they want to remove the current ownership of CFC. A solution would be to find a buyer but nobody is really coming forward, a deal is supposed to be not far away but is it a deal that will save CFC and be in the interest of the fans or just an opportunity for DA & AC to cut and run?

How about we start creating a list of people who are prepared to invest into the future of CFC? I have no idea what DA would accept as a minimum offer but let's say he was willing to accept £5M. How about setting a target of getting pledges of a minimum of £5,000 per person. That's only 1,000 people pledging. We would need to create at least 1,000 pledges plus additional money if we have fans that could afford to donate in multiples of £5,000 for the future investments into the club and running of. Once DA breaks away, you can't go running to him every month with the cap in hand tactics to meet expenses.

How the mechanics would work, I don't know. But it is only a suggestion which could be thought about and if we have enough interest from individuals & businesses, then it might be worth following up.

AC will know of my suggestion as soon as I press the post button, so I would know within a few minutes if it was something that we could follow through. I know of a few that would be willing and some of my associates would jump at the chance of helping.

Over to you for discussion.

And you have my mobile Ashley ;)

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 03:36 PM

View PostZorro, on 08 March 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

The Club is for sale and we don't know a price that DA will accept.

This is a far bigger problem than when we had to drum up finances for the DB era and everyone is waiting for a knight in shining armour to appear in Chesterfield. Lot's of hot air & guessing going on which is not helping the club or team at this moment in time. None of us know for sure where we will be playing next year and although I am not a fan of DA, I am certainly grateful to him for getting us to Sheffield Road & creating the fantastic facilities we have. The fans can't really do much more or say anymore to either DA or AC, they get your message loud and clear. Some will still want to chase them after they have gone. The days of tar & feathering have gone!!

Every problem needs to find a solution and the problem the fans have is that they want to remove the current ownership of CFC. A solution would be to find a buyer but nobody is really coming forward, a deal is supposed to be not far away but is it a deal that will save CFC and be in the interest of the fans or just an opportunity for DA & AC to cut and run?

How about we start creating a list of people who are prepared to invest into the future of CFC? I have no idea what DA would accept as a minimum offer but let's say he was willing to accept £5M. How about setting a target of getting pledges of a minimum of £5,000 per person. That's only 1,000 people pledging. We would need to create at least 1,000 pledges plus additional money if we have fans that could afford to donate in multiples of £5,000 for the future investments into the club and running of. Once DA breaks away, you can't go running to him every month with the cap in hand tactics to meet expenses.

How the mechanics would work, I don't know. But it is only a suggestion which could be thought about and if we have enough interest from individuals & businesses, then it might be worth following up.

AC will know of my suggestion as soon as I press the post button, so I would know within a few minutes if it was something that we could follow through. I know of a few that would be willing and some of my associates would jump at the chance of helping.

Over to you for discussion.

And you have my mobile Ashley ;)

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I don’t think there are a 1,000 people who regularly read this forum never mind contribute to it. An admirable suggestion Z, and for what it’s worth, I would be happy to pledge that figure under the correct circumstances, but I’m 100% sure DA and AC would move the goalposts if we were to come close.
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 03:38 PM

View PostZorro, on 08 March 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

The Club is for sale and we don't know a price that DA will accept.

This is a far bigger problem than when we had to drum up finances for the DB era and everyone is waiting for a knight in shining armour to appear in Chesterfield. Lot's of hot air & guessing going on which is not helping the club or team at this moment in time. None of us know for sure where we will be playing next year and although I am not a fan of DA, I am certainly grateful to him for getting us to Sheffield Road & creating the fantastic facilities we have. The fans can't really do much more or say anymore to either DA or AC, they get your message loud and clear. Some will still want to chase them after they have gone. The days of tar & feathering have gone!!

Every problem needs to find a solution and the problem the fans have is that they want to remove the current ownership of CFC. A solution would be to find a buyer but nobody is really coming forward, a deal is supposed to be not far away but is it a deal that will save CFC and be in the interest of the fans or just an opportunity for DA & AC to cut and run?

How about we start creating a list of people who are prepared to invest into the future of CFC? I have no idea what DA would accept as a minimum offer but let's say he was willing to accept £5M. How about setting a target of getting pledges of a minimum of £5,000 per person. That's only 1,000 people pledging. We would need to create at least 1,000 pledges plus additional money if we have fans that could afford to donate in multiples of £5,000 for the future investments into the club and running of. Once DA breaks away, you can't go running to him every month with the cap in hand tactics to meet expenses.

How the mechanics would work, I don't know. But it is only a suggestion which could be thought about and if we have enough interest from individuals & businesses, then it might be worth following up.

AC will know of my suggestion as soon as I press the post button, so I would know within a few minutes if it was something that we could follow through. I know of a few that would be willing and some of my associates would jump at the chance of helping.

Over to you for discussion.

And you have my mobile Ashley ;)

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I'd want a piece of the freehold for kind of investment.

You know something akin to what the "Chelsea Pitch Owners" have, a piece of the pitch that would stop any single owner running roughshod over us in the future
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 03:39 PM

View PostZorro, on 08 March 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

The Club is for sale and we don't know a price that DA will accept.

This is a far bigger problem than when we had to drum up finances for the DB era and everyone is waiting for a knight in shining armour to appear in Chesterfield. Lot's of hot air & guessing going on which is not helping the club or team at this moment in time. None of us know for sure where we will be playing next year and although I am not a fan of DA, I am certainly grateful to him for getting us to Sheffield Road & creating the fantastic facilities we have. The fans can't really do much more or say anymore to either DA or AC, they get your message loud and clear. Some will still want to chase them after they have gone. The days of tar & feathering have gone!!

Every problem needs to find a solution and the problem the fans have is that they want to remove the current ownership of CFC. A solution would be to find a buyer but nobody is really coming forward, a deal is supposed to be not far away but is it a deal that will save CFC and be in the interest of the fans or just an opportunity for DA & AC to cut and run?

How about we start creating a list of people who are prepared to invest into the future of CFC? I have no idea what DA would accept as a minimum offer but let's say he was willing to accept £5M. How about setting a target of getting pledges of a minimum of £5,000 per person. That's only 1,000 people pledging. We would need to create at least 1,000 pledges plus additional money if we have fans that could afford to donate in multiples of £5,000 for the future investments into the club and running of. Once DA breaks away, you can't go running to him every month with the cap in hand tactics to meet expenses.

How the mechanics would work, I don't know. But it is only a suggestion which could be thought about and if we have enough interest from individuals & businesses, then it might be worth following up.

AC will know of my suggestion as soon as I press the post button, so I would know within a few minutes if it was something that we could follow through. I know of a few that would be willing and some of my associates would jump at the chance of helping.

Over to you for discussion.

And you have my mobile Ashley ;)

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The main issue with this is that in the aftermath of the DB era many fans including me dug deep and kept the club afloat. It didn't take long for it to be realized it wasn't sustainable or credible and more money was raised by watering down the fans shareholding. This was further watered down when DA came on board and that's why the fans who saved our club now have no say whatsoever in the running of it.
The idea is great but what happens 12 months down the road when the club needs more funding and cant raise it itself?
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 04:10 PM

View PostZorro, on 08 March 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

The Club is for sale and we don't know a price that DA will accept.

This is a far bigger problem than when we had to drum up finances for the DB era and everyone is waiting for a knight in shining armour to appear in Chesterfield. Lot's of hot air & guessing going on which is not helping the club or team at this moment in time. None of us know for sure where we will be playing next year and although I am not a fan of DA, I am certainly grateful to him for getting us to Sheffield Road & creating the fantastic facilities we have. The fans can't really do much more or say anymore to either DA or AC, they get your message loud and clear. Some will still want to chase them after they have gone. The days of tar & feathering have gone!!

Every problem needs to find a solution and the problem the fans have is that they want to remove the current ownership of CFC. A solution would be to find a buyer but nobody is really coming forward, a deal is supposed to be not far away but is it a deal that will save CFC and be in the interest of the fans or just an opportunity for DA & AC to cut and run?

How about we start creating a list of people who are prepared to invest into the future of CFC? I have no idea what DA would accept as a minimum offer but let's say he was willing to accept £5M. How about setting a target of getting pledges of a minimum of £5,000 per person. That's only 1,000 people pledging. We would need to create at least 1,000 pledges plus additional money if we have fans that could afford to donate in multiples of £5,000 for the future investments into the club and running of. Once DA breaks away, you can't go running to him every month with the cap in hand tactics to meet expenses.

How the mechanics would work, I don't know. But it is only a suggestion which could be thought about and if we have enough interest from individuals & businesses, then it might be worth following up.

AC will know of my suggestion as soon as I press the post button, so I would know within a few minutes if it was something that we could follow through. I know of a few that would be willing and some of my associates would jump at the chance of helping.

Over to you for discussion.

And you have my mobile Ashley ;)

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I'd pay towards securing the future of our club.

As AC has said the non refundable deposit was 5% of the selling price and in the latest Chesterfield Post interview this was £250k it follows therefore he was willing to accept £5m. One presumes with this DA writes off all of he is owed.

Perhaps worth a DT article to generate some publicity locally and nationally to get things moving, maybe from this a consortium would emerge.


There needs to be a central contact,

There was a move a year or so back to revive CFSS that has a bank account and legal structure in place and whilst there was interest to set up a board it never took off, I suspect because at the time we didn't know DA's intentions, now we do.
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 04:28 PM

View Postmoondog, on 08 March 2018 - 04:10 PM, said:

I'd pay towards securing the future of our club.

As AC has said the non refundable deposit was 5% of the selling price and in the latest Chesterfield Post interview this was £250k it follows therefore he was willing to accept £5m. One presumes with this DA writes off all of he is owed.

Perhaps worth a DT article to generate some publicity locally and nationally to get things moving, maybe from this a consortium would emerge.


There needs to be a central contact,

There was a move a year or so back to revive CFSS that has a bank account and legal structure in place and whilst there was interest to set up a board it never took off, I suspect because at the time we didn't know DA's intentions, now we do.

great idea id contribute
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 04:30 PM

View PostDancingwilldoit, on 08 March 2018 - 03:39 PM, said:

The main issue with this is that in the aftermath of the DB era many fans including me dug deep and kept the club afloat. It didn't take long for it to be realized it wasn't sustainable or credible and more money was raised by watering down the fans shareholding. This was further watered down when DA came on board and that's why the fans who saved our club now have no say whatsoever in the running of it.
The idea is great but what happens 12 months down the road when the club needs more funding and cant raise it itself?


Accrington not only survive but prosper on gates of 1500. We would have to cut our costs, even if it meant non-league until we were on a sustainable footing for League football again. Aren't Newport and Wimbledon owned by the fans. If all you focus on are the possible negatives than we may as well pack in now. Call a meeting Zoro and let the idea be discussed.
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 04:31 PM

View Postboot, on 08 March 2018 - 10:31 AM, said:

Not my usual spelling mate - trust me I am a Spireite born and bred.

Previous post now corrected.

PS 'counteract' is all one word.


Lol never thought anything else about your credentials. Tongue in cheek brother.
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 04:33 PM

View PostDancingwilldoit, on 08 March 2018 - 03:39 PM, said:

The main issue with this is that in the aftermath of the DB era many fans including me dug deep and kept the club afloat. It didn't take long for it to be realized it wasn't sustainable or credible and more money was raised by watering down the fans shareholding. This was further watered down when DA came on board and that's why the fans who saved our club now have no say whatsoever in the running of it.
The idea is great but what happens 12 months down the road when the club needs more funding and cant raise it itself?

Cut the costs, get rid of the **** and start again if needs be.
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 04:38 PM

View PostZorro, on 08 March 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

The Club is for sale and we don't know a price that DA will accept.

This is a far bigger problem than when we had to drum up finances for the DB era and everyone is waiting for a knight in shining armour to appear in Chesterfield. Lot's of hot air & guessing going on which is not helping the club or team at this moment in time. None of us know for sure where we will be playing next year and although I am not a fan of DA, I am certainly grateful to him for getting us to Sheffield Road & creating the fantastic facilities we have. The fans can't really do much more or say anymore to either DA or AC, they get your message loud and clear. Some will still want to chase them after they have gone. The days of tar & feathering have gone!!

Every problem needs to find a solution and the problem the fans have is that they want to remove the current ownership of CFC. A solution would be to find a buyer but nobody is really coming forward, a deal is supposed to be not far away but is it a deal that will save CFC and be in the interest of the fans or just an opportunity for DA & AC to cut and run?

How about we start creating a list of people who are prepared to invest into the future of CFC? I have no idea what DA would accept as a minimum offer but let's say he was willing to accept £5M. How about setting a target of getting pledges of a minimum of £5,000 per person. That's only 1,000 people pledging. We would need to create at least 1,000 pledges plus additional money if we have fans that could afford to donate in multiples of £5,000 for the future investments into the club and running of. Once DA breaks away, you can't go running to him every month with the cap in hand tactics to meet expenses.

How the mechanics would work, I don't know. But it is only a suggestion which could be thought about and if we have enough interest from individuals & businesses, then it might be worth following up.

AC will know of my suggestion as soon as I press the post button, so I would know within a few minutes if it was something that we could follow through. I know of a few that would be willing and some of my associates would jump at the chance of helping.

Over to you for discussion.

And you have my mobile Ashley ;)

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Would we be buying the ground along with cfç

View Postwarfey is a spireite, on 08 March 2018 - 04:28 PM, said:

great idea id contribute

Auctioning your old footie boots Dave.

This post has been edited by Dave In Footie Heaven: 08 March 2018 - 04:39 PM

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 04:48 PM

View PostDancingwilldoit, on 08 March 2018 - 03:39 PM, said:

The main issue with this is that in the aftermath of the DB era many fans including me dug deep and kept the club afloat. It didn't take long for it to be realized it wasn't sustainable or credible and more money was raised by watering down the fans shareholding. This was further watered down when DA came on board and that's why the fans who saved our club now have no say whatsoever in the running of it.
The idea is great but what happens 12 months down the road when the club needs more funding and cant raise it itself?


I don't think this is exactly the same as the DB situation. A lot of fans gave money to the cause and it's not a case of who throws the most money in. Some fans donated with what they could afford to give through bucket collections. Giving your last 20p is no different from a guy who chucks £5 in. It's the cause that counts and the reason you have to raise money in the first place.

For this to work you would need enough money to pay DA, you would need additional reserves and you would need to place shares available for would be investors that could be purchased in the future.

As I said, it's only an idea & suggestion, it might not get off the ground but if you don't try to find a solution, you will never solve the problem.

It could be hot air and AC/DA could reject the suggestion, but surely there is no harm in asking.

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 04:51 PM

View PostDave In Footie Heaven, on 08 March 2018 - 04:38 PM, said:

Would we be buying the ground along with cfç


Auctioning your old footie boots Dave.


I saw him play in Germany & Holland in a tournament we were in, his boots are both left footed and worthless. He would have made a better linesman because his footballing skills left a lot to be desired.

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 05:03 PM

I am aware that there is already a "Not to be sniffed at" sum available that has been sourced by a local consortium.
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 05:07 PM

Whilst I dont doubt the idea is a good one, does anyone honestly think DA would sell the club at a 'knock down' price to the fans, fans that he know would probably come straight out post-sale and reveal everything thats been swept under the carpet?

I dont think he'd take £10m from a fans-owned concortium let alone £5m, whoich would again, confirm the suspicion that he isn't really that desperate to sell.
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 05:15 PM

View PostDave In Footie Heaven, on 08 March 2018 - 04:38 PM, said:

Would we be buying the ground along with cfç


Auctioning your old footie boots Dave.

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 05:20 PM

View PostZorro, on 08 March 2018 - 04:51 PM, said:

I saw him play in Germany & Holland in a tournament we were in, his boots are both left footed and worthless. He would have made a better linesman because his footballing skills left a lot to be desired.

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View PostZorro, on 08 March 2018 - 04:51 PM, said:

I saw him play in Germany & Holland in a tournament we were in, his boots are both left footed and worthless. He would have made a better linesman because his footballing skills left a lot to be desired.

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NEWPORT GAVE MA A WEEKS TRIAL , AND ILKSETON TOWN SIGNED ME BERT BOWERY AND ME SCORED ON OUR DEBUTS ,FOR RESERVES V ALVASTON ST HELENS WON 3-2 , THERE RECORDS SHOWED ME WITH 2 THE OTHER V GRANTHAM , IVE SCVORED ON LINCOLNS PITCH AND 2 IN A MINUTE ON MEadow lane so not that bad not many done that
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 05:32 PM

View PostSammy Spireite, on 08 March 2018 - 05:07 PM, said:

Whilst I dont doubt the idea is a good one, does anyone honestly think DA would sell the club at a 'knock down' price to the fans, fans that he know would probably come straight out post-sale and reveal everything thats been swept under the carpet?

I dont think he'd take £10m from a fans-owned concortium let alone £5m, whoich would again, confirm the suspicion that he isn't really that desperate to sell.


Sammy, the question is - how bad do the fans want a change of ownership? If I was in a position to buy the club and with what I know about some of the previous dealings, do you think I would go public with my findings? Not a chance. I would want the deal to go through smoothly and CFC to be run correctly in the future without any skeletons in the closet.

An email I have received gives a better idea of what could be the way forward.

The initial funds raised would be used to pay off DA but the investment would be in the form of Share Capital either a further issue of the existing shares or a new class of shares. In theory the new investors would be able to sell their holding therefore it would be an investment, although it could be a high risk. The £5,000 limit would exclude many fans but there is no reason why they couldn't group together, for example (The Bridge Inn Travel).

The initial directors/management structure (limited to approximately six) would have to be elected but would need to be capable of giving their time up for free and undertaking the duties at present carried out by senior staff members and paid outside contractors. In view of the state of current finances I don't think this is unrealistic.

The initial monies raised would be placed in a secure account (escrow) with solicitors acting on behalf of the consortium with the provision it is returned less any legal fees if the offer fails.

We have already messaged AC to ask if the price & suggestion is realistic.

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 05:47 PM

AC has confirmed to me he would support a fans buyout
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 05:51 PM

Interesting.

Though unfortunately I have far too many bad habits to have any money to invest.
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