[dalekpete]

Westbars Spireite, on 23 November 2015 - 11:25 PM, said:

He's probably no happier now but he should be richer.

Considering (a bit like SEB) Doyle could break his leg at any point, I am not sure he would choose to see out a contract worth a further £122k when he could sign one worth a guaranteed £1.3m.

[dim view]

KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 23 November 2015 - 11:29 PM, said:

I think it's pretty irrelevant though. When he has a year and a half left on his contract it is reasonable to ask him to see the season out, and assure him that you'll let him go in the summer. He would've been top scorer in all divisions barring a minor miracle.

Perhaps for balance you should repeat the statistic that came out tonight about Doyle's scoring record immediately prior to him being sold, and let people know that we found out tonight that PC was going to drop him because of poor form.

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

dalekpete, on 23 November 2015 - 11:50 PM, said:

Considering (a bit like SEB) Doyle could break his leg at any point, I am not sure he would choose to see out a contract worth a further £122k when he could sign one worth a guaranteed £1.3m.

He was contracted to the end of this season, not last season. And it isn't his choice whether to honour his contract.

I'm not saying we should have kept him until this season ends, but we damn well should have kept him until the end of what was probably our best season ever. At the very, very, very least he should have been replaced with quality, not a player for 15k who's barely played a game for us.

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

dim view, on 23 November 2015 - 11:55 PM, said:

Perhaps for balance you should repeat the statistic that came out tonight about Doyle's scoring record immediately prior to him being sold, and let people know that we found out tonight that PC was going to drop him because of poor form.

Really? Says who?

The bloke who sold him!?

I've got a lovely beachfront property in Birmingham for sale. PM me for details.

[dalekpete]

KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 23 November 2015 - 11:56 PM, said:

He was contracted to the end of this season, not last season. And it isn't his choice whether to honour his contract.

Yes there were 17 months left on his contract but the one at Cardiff was worth ten times the existing one. Which clubs have managed to keep players who have made it clear they want to leave?

You have to be a big club in the top flight to keep a player whose head has been turned which is why Sterling is still at Liverpool.

[forevablue]

h again, on 23 November 2015 - 11:37 PM, said:

It helps.

Thank you Mr Mercury for your time and a good reflection of the key points that were discussed and I'm sure that others will 'fill in the gaps' on some of the more detailed financial discussion in particular.

You mentioned the food and no-one thanked the club at the meeting, including me, but it was a nice touch for anyone who had gone from work and not had the chance to eat; for those that know me I'm not good when hungry!

There was a question regarding expenditure of £1.9m I think it was, that the accountant answered by giving an indication of the larger amounts that comprised this amount and it became clear to me that there is a lot of expenditure that, when added together, makes a big dent in the budget.

On the question of ambition Dave Allen was very clear that if someone walks in tomorrow with a cash offer of £9m they would be able to buy the club presumably after the appropriate checks have been carried out. He also said that he was putting in a further £300k this month to support the wage bill.

The £140k that was mentioned on here by Ashley Carson as 'coming out of the woodwork' was in the main money owed to HMRC; this was in respect of the tax that had been deducted from the 2.5% interest paid to directors on loans but hadn't been sent to HMRC. I can't remember what made up the remainder but the total amount of 'unexpected' expenditure had risen to around £225k since it was first mentioned on here. Reference was made to the difference in the amount of interest payments to directors (2.5%) and that paid to the Borough Council (6%); the loan to A&S Leisure it is at a rate of 5%.

It was he first time that I had heard Dean Saunders speak live and I think it went quite well for him but there were very few questions; however, he expanded and moved onto general football stuff at the club in his replies. He stated that Chris Herd had been geeing players up in training today to encourage a positive reaction tomorrow, Sam Morsy is a fantastic professional and gives his all for the club and they are trying to develop an ethos whereby youngsters coming through to the reserves, reserves coming into the first team will all know what is expected of them and therefore the transition will be easier for them.

I enjoyed it more than I thought that I would although it was quite subdued at times. I certainly never expected Dave Allen to be quoting Dean Fidler from the FC Utd. of Manchester programme!

Cheers, Paul.

[azul]

forevablue, on 24 November 2015 - 12:13 AM, said:

Thank you Mr Mercury for your time and a good reflection of the key points that were discussed and I'm sure that others will 'fill in the gaps' on some of the more detailed financial discussion in particular.

You mentioned the food and no-one thanked the club at the meeting, including me, but it was a nice touch for anyone who had gone from work and not had the chance to eat; for those that know me I'm not good when hungry!

There was a question regarding expenditure of £1.9m I think it was, that the accountant answered by giving an indication of the larger amounts that comprised this amount and it became clear to me that there is a lot of expenditure that, when added together, makes a big dent in the budget.

On the question of ambition Dave Allen was very clear that if someone walks in tomorrow with a cash offer of £9m they would be able to buy the club presumably after the appropriate checks have been carried out. He also said that he was putting in a further £300k this month to support the wage bill.

The £140k that was mentioned on here by Ashley Carson as 'coming out of the woodwork' was in the main money owed to HMRC; this was in respect of the tax that had been deducted from the 2.5% interest paid to directors on loans but hadn't been sent to HMRC. I can't remember what made up the remainder but the total amount of 'unexpected' expenditure had risen to around £225k since it was first mentioned on here. Reference was made to the difference in the amount of interest payments to directors (2.5%) and that paid to the Borough Council (6%); the loan to A&S Leisure it is at a rate of 5%.

It was he first time that I had heard Dean Saunders speak live and I think it went quite well for him but there were very few questions; however, he expanded and moved onto general football stuff at the club in his replies. He stated that Chris Herd had been geeing players up in training today to encourage a positive reaction tomorrow, Sam Morsy is a fantastic professional and gives his all for the club and they are trying to develop an ethos whereby youngsters coming through to the reserves, reserves coming into the first team will all know what is expected of them and therefore the transition will be easier for them.

I enjoyed it more than I thought that I would although it was quite subdued at times. I certainly never expected Dave Allen to be quoting Dean Fidler from the FC Utd. of Manchester programme!

Cheers, Paul.

That seems to suggest there is no money in the bank and there is a cash flow problem. How can this be when we have just sold £2M worth of players. I realise there will be stage payments involved but it doesn't bode well for next year's figures

Can we assume DA now wants £9.3M from one of us, hopefully KevinArnottsGoldenBoot

[SpireiteFitzy]

azul, on 24 November 2015 - 12:37 AM, said:

That seems to suggest there is no money in the bank and there is a cash flow problem. How can this be when we have just sold £2M worth of players. I realise there will be stage payments involved but it doesn't bode well for next year's figures

Can we assume DA now wants £9.3M from one of us, hopefully KevinArnottsGoldenBoot

It's very disturbing, all these payments go on to what we owe him. How on earth can we be falling 300k short for just paying wages in a month?

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

azul, on 24 November 2015 - 12:37 AM, said:

That seems to suggest there is no money in the bank and there is a cash flow problem. How can this be when we have just sold £2M worth of players. I realise there will be stage payments involved but it doesn't bode well for next year's figures

Can we assume DA now wants £9.3M from one of us, hopefully KevinArnottsGoldenBoot

Don't worry we are going to win the FA cup

[azul]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 24 November 2015 - 12:57 AM, said:

Don't worry we are going to win the FA cup

Better not, that would add another million to the debt

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

azul, on 24 November 2015 - 12:37 AM, said:

That seems to suggest there is no money in the bank and there is a cash flow problem. How can this be when we have just sold £2M worth of players. I realise there will be stage payments involved but it doesn't bode well for next year's figures

Can we assume DA now wants £9.3M from one of us, hopefully KevinArnottsGoldenBoot

I'm not melting myself down for a Yorkshireman, on principle.

[Bonnyman]

dim view, on 23 November 2015 - 11:55 PM, said:

Perhaps for balance you should repeat the statistic that came out tonight about Doyle's scoring record immediately prior to him being sold, and let people know that we found out tonight that PC was going to drop him because of poor form.

What a complete and utter lie...drop him for who exactly?

[Westbars Spireite]

Bonnyman, on 24 November 2015 - 05:51 AM, said:

What a complete and utter lie...drop him for who exactly?

Armand of course.

In summary then, football aside, the business has been utterly mismanaged with little to no control over spending or any understanding of the wider variables involved in running what is now a large company.

All things a decent CEO would keep in check.

[lindo-spireite]

I hope herd shows us no loyalty and goes elsewhere.

[Brookie]

KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 24 November 2015 - 01:07 AM, said:

I'm not melting myself down for a Yorkshireman, on principle.

You are RPL and I claim my £10

[Mr Mercury]

Bonnyman, on 24 November 2015 - 05:51 AM, said:

What a complete and utter lie...drop him for who exactly?

I agree, I thought CTs comments re Doyles slow down in scoring and the possibility of him being dropped were not only unfair on Doyle ignoring his massive work rate but also said to try to justify the sale! Sadly you can't comment and ask everything in the time allotted. I thought CT let himself down there.

[Westbars Spireite]

CT should stick to his area of expertise;the financials.

[Spire-ite]

Westbars Spireite, on 24 November 2015 - 07:40 AM, said:

Armand of course.

In summary then, football aside, the business has been utterly mismanaged with little to no control over spending or any understanding of the wider variables involved in running what is now a large company.

All things a decent CEO would keep in check.

Why, do you think the football side of things is not being utterly mismanaged?

[spireitewolf]

Mr Mercury said:

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Part 3
Now on to DS.
Been difficult to replace Darikwa, ONeil tried there but as yet that hasn't worked out.
Won't criticise Lee for recent errors saying he's the best keeper in the league.
Says MP Is the best fitness coach in the business, look at how few injuries were having this season, especially muscle injuries.
Still feels the defence is a work in progress, Wood brought in the give help and guidance, and feels that we are shipping silly goals rather than teams over running us. And these will soon iron themselves out.
Raglan is still very much one for the future and Wood will bring him along as well, doesn't feel centre halves mature until around 30 so Raglan has a great career in front of him.

So Charlie got to wait to he's 30 - amazing

[Mr Mercury]

spireitewolf, on 24 November 2015 - 08:06 AM, said:

So Charlie got to wait to he's 30 - amazing

That's not what was said.