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Posted 27 March 2015 - 10:36 AM

Cameron looked petrified in front of Paxman
Miliband more at ease but I guess you would be if you had no record to defend
Interesting stuff though
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Posted 27 March 2015 - 10:50 AM

Could Kay Burley have been even more up Cameron's backside?

Both men came across well- Paxman came across as the old buffoon he really is.
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Posted 27 March 2015 - 02:24 PM

Please can some one explain? We are constantly being told that the way out of poverty for many of our less fortunate fellow citizens is to get them into work and the CONservatives claim to have done this by creating about 1.5 m jobs so that we have a record number of people in employment.
Why then are the number of Foodbanks and their clients increasing beyond Cameron's ability to comprehend. Just a thought!
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Posted 28 March 2015 - 08:06 AM

At Last!

Finally someone has pinned Cameron down and forced him to answer straight questions instead of the usual ducking and dodging.

Something Miliband has failed to do in virtually every PMQ's.

Unfortunately he was let off the hook by an almost sycophantic Burley and members of the public who seemed slightly in awe of the whole experience.

Overall, however, it was pretty much as everyone expected: Cameron trying to appear forceful and authoritative whilst Miliband was much more relaxed and personable. Though the Labour leader will always be hindered by his seemingly Aardman Animations created appearance.

Let's be straight: the Tories and their friends in the Press have spent five years portraying Miliband as a wishy-washy geek, yet the truth is he's a decent bloke who folk can warm to. Exactly why Cameron refuses to go head-to-head (despite being all for such encounters at the last election, of course).

A poll straight after the event had Cameron 54-46 on top, yet given how far ahead his personal rating had been beforehand that's a minor victory for his opponent.

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 08:51 AM

Top three issues are economy NHS and immigration, Tories hold the cards in 2 of the 3, it can't be anything other than no overall majority and then t depends on who will deal with who.

It'll be the Libs and SNP who eventually decide who gets into power.
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Posted 28 March 2015 - 10:10 AM

View PostMDCCCLXVI, on 28 March 2015 - 08:06 AM, said:

At Last!

Finally someone has pinned Cameron down and forced him to answer straight questions instead of the usual ducking and dodging.

Something Miliband has failed to do in virtually every PMQ's.

Unfortunately he was let off the hook by an almost sycophantic Burley and members of the public who seemed slightly in awe of the whole experience.

Overall, however, it was pretty much as everyone expected: Cameron trying to appear forceful and authoritative whilst Miliband was much more relaxed and personable. Though the Labour leader will always be hindered by his seemingly Aardman Animations created appearance.

Let's be straight: the Tories and their friends in the Press have spent five years portraying Miliband as a wishy-washy geek, yet the truth is he's a decent bloke who folk can warm to. Exactly why Cameron refuses to go head-to-head (despite being all for such encounters at the last election, of course).

A poll straight after the event had Cameron 54-46 on top, yet given how far ahead his personal rating had been beforehand that's a minor victory for his opponent.


Milliband is a disaster waiting to happen for New Labour. He spends so much talking and talking but he actually says very little. Its all bland sound bites and no substance. At a time of austerity and the deepest cuts in public spending for almost a century,New Labour really ought to be streets ahead yet they are, if anything, slightly behind those in blue!!!! Milliband may be a nice guy, but when it comes to it, has he got any real policies? Does he really look like a leader? Or is it a case of a nice chap who speaks of a vision of a fairer Britain, that in the cold hard light of day means very little?
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Posted 28 March 2015 - 11:20 AM

View PostThe black triangle, on 28 March 2015 - 10:10 AM, said:

Milliband is a disaster waiting to happen for New Labour. He spends so much talking and talking but he actually says very little. Its all bland sound bites and no substance. At a time of austerity and the deepest cuts in public spending for almost a century,New Labour really ought to be streets ahead yet they are, if anything, slightly behind those in blue!!!! Milliband may be a nice guy, but when it comes to it, has he got any real policies? Does he really look like a leader? Or is it a case of a nice chap who speaks of a vision of a fairer Britain, that in the cold hard light of day means very little?
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Posted 28 March 2015 - 04:39 PM

View PostMDCCCLXVI, on 28 March 2015 - 08:06 AM, said:


Overall, however, it was pretty much as everyone expected: Cameron trying to appear forceful and authoritative whilst Miliband was much more relaxed and personable. Though the Labour leader will always be hindered by his seemingly Aardman Animations created appearance.

Let's be straight: the Tories and their friends in the Press have spent five years portraying Miliband as a wishy-washy geek, yet the truth is he's a decent bloke who folk can warm to. Exactly why Cameron refuses to go head-to-head (despite being all for such encounters at the last election, of course).



If Milliband can't dethrone a Tory toff and his mates who has presided over some of the most stringent welfare cuts in living history then he shouldnt be leader and those who sanctioned his election as leader need to look long and hard at their achievement.....

If SNP hold power then the coalition won't last and we face years of uncertainty.....@

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 11:56 PM

View Postisleaiw1, on 28 March 2015 - 04:39 PM, said:

If Milliband can't dethrone a Tory toff and his mates who has presided over some of the most stringent welfare cuts in living history then he shouldnt be leader and those who sanctioned his election as leader need to look long and hard at their achievement.....

If SNP hold power then the coalition won't last and we face years of uncertainty.....@

The numbers not relying on Welfare outnumber those who do. Maybe there lies the answer?
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Posted 29 March 2015 - 09:27 AM

View PostMDCCCLXVI, on 28 March 2015 - 08:06 AM, said:

At Last!

Finally someone has pinned Cameron down and forced him to answer straight questions instead of the usual ducking and dodging.

Something Miliband has failed to do in virtually every PMQ's.

Unfortunately he was let off the hook by an almost sycophantic Burley and members of the public who seemed slightly in awe of the whole experience.

Overall, however, it was pretty much as everyone expected: Cameron trying to appear forceful and authoritative whilst Miliband was much more relaxed and personable. Though the Labour leader will always be hindered by his seemingly Aardman Animations created appearance.

Let's be straight: the Tories and their friends in the Press have spent five years portraying Miliband as a wishy-washy geek, yet the truth is he's a decent bloke who folk can warm to. Exactly why Cameron refuses to go head-to-head (despite being all for such encounters at the last election, of course).

A poll straight after the event had Cameron 54-46 on top, yet given how far ahead his personal rating had been beforehand that's a minor victory for his opponent.

I’ve previously voted Labour and did so at the last election despite not being too impressed with Brown as leader. My vote was based more around local issues and wanting Toby Perkins as MP for Chesterfield. I’m in a similar position this time as I can’t warm to Miliband as leader as I feel he is out of his depth and so are the majority of the shadow cabinet.
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Posted 29 March 2015 - 10:47 AM

View Posttrickytrevsfanclub, on 28 March 2015 - 11:56 PM, said:

The numbers not relying on Welfare outnumber those who do. Maybe there lies the answer?


That those working are better off now than they would be under labour - very probably :)
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Posted 31 March 2015 - 07:08 PM

View Postisleaiw1, on 28 March 2015 - 04:39 PM, said:

If Milliband can't dethrone a Tory toff and his mates who has presided over some of the most stringent welfare cuts in living history then he shouldnt be leader and those who sanctioned his election as leader need to look long and hard at their achievement.....

If SNP hold power then the coalition won't last and we face years of uncertainty.....@


To turn that on it's head, though, what does it say about Cameron/the Tories when they couldn't achieve a majority despite Brown's unpopularity, the financial situation and the majority of Fleet Street hurling lies at Labour on a daily basis? And what does is say about them now when they still look unlikely to do so despite only the name of the Labour leader changing?

Then uncertainty? Y'mean like a minority Tory government constantly at war with itself over a Euro referendum that might happen at some unspecified point and for vague reasons? A minority Tory government at the mercy of it's own right wing, euro-hating backbenchers and a handful of UKIP xenophobes?

View PostSkywalker, on 29 March 2015 - 09:27 AM, said:

I’ve previously voted Labour and did so at the last election despite not being too impressed with Brown as leader. My vote was based more around local issues and wanting Toby Perkins as MP for Chesterfield. I’m in a similar position this time as I can’t warm to Miliband as leader as I feel he is out of his depth and so are the majority of the shadow cabinet.


I've been impressed by Toby Perkins, 'S'.


View Postisleaiw1, on 29 March 2015 - 10:47 AM, said:

That those working are better off now than they would be under labour - very probably :)


Well me and my missus are both the 'hard working, do the right thing' kinda people politicians always refer to. Yet we're certainly worse off under the Tories. By the way, Ian; were you the 'Ian' that called-up Radio Five the other week venting anti-Labour bile? He certainly has a northern accent and said stuff similar to your's on here.
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Posted 31 March 2015 - 07:23 PM

View Postkopblue, on 28 March 2015 - 11:20 AM, said:

milliband lol he'll no


I understand he wants to bring back basic literacy and grammar
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Posted 31 March 2015 - 07:37 PM

I think the world has gone mad when Peter Hitchens said on Sunday that Miliband was bullied by the media and he was considering voting Labour in defence of Miliband

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Posted 31 March 2015 - 07:56 PM

View PostPhil V 72, on 31 March 2015 - 07:37 PM, said:

I think the world has gone mad when Peter Hitchens said on Sunday that Miliband was bullied by the media and he was considering voting Labour in defence of Miliband


Hitchens is someone you could easily dislike until you realise he's entertainingly barmy.

Like one or two one here, in fact...
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Posted 31 March 2015 - 08:00 PM

Duplicate.

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Posted 31 March 2015 - 10:25 PM

View PostErnie Ernie Ernie, on 31 March 2015 - 07:23 PM, said:

I understand he wants to bring back basic literacy and grammar

Or how to use an iPod with fat fingers .
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Posted 31 March 2015 - 10:33 PM

View PostPhil V 72, on 31 March 2015 - 07:37 PM, said:

I think the world has gone mad when Peter Hitchens said on Sunday that Miliband was bullied by the media and he was considering voting Labour in defence of Miliband

I think the world has gone mad when I realise Peter is the brother of Christopher Hitchens...
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Posted 01 April 2015 - 02:39 PM

View Postdalekpete, on 31 March 2015 - 10:33 PM, said:

I think the world has gone mad when I realise Peter is the brother of Christopher Hitchens...


Peter and Christopher debated religion which can be found on 'You Tube.' The brilliant Christopher held all the aces and to see his brother attempting to build a house of straw didn't really endear me to his intellect. What it taught me was that even clever, eloquent people can close their minds to reason and rationality and that stubborn resistance is part of our genetic make-up; a survival instinct if you like.

I've read stacks of Christopher Hitchens and his death is a great loss. As journalists go he was a colossus in an otherwise murky profession.
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Posted 01 April 2015 - 03:20 PM

View Postfrearsghost, on 01 April 2015 - 02:39 PM, said:

Peter and Christopher debated religion which can be found on 'You Tube.' The brilliant Christopher held all the aces and to see his brother attempting to build a house of straw didn't really endear me to his intellect. What it taught me was that even clever, eloquent people can close their minds to reason and rationality and that stubborn resistance is part of our genetic make-up; a survival instinct if you like.

I've read stacks of Christopher Hitchens and his death is a great loss. As journalists go he was a colossus in an otherwise murky profession.


Although naturally predisposed towards Christopher's arguments I read the brothers 2 books on religion and I found Peter's 'Rage Against God' a really fascinating read. It was more challenging for me and I felt I learnt more from it than CH's, which just reinforced my original view.

They are a great double-header and both fantastically well-written. I think both brothers have (had) integrity - I don't ever think PH is anything but sincere, even if you can't agree with what he says.
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