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#21 User is offline   Xerxes 

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Posted 29 May 2015 - 06:29 AM

View Postsophocles, on 28 May 2015 - 10:16 PM, said:

Why don't you wake up and face reality? Our chairman has already explained that the new manager will have to bring kids on and will struggle (fail) to keep our best players. DS will NOT get financial backing, as the sole aim is to reduce costs and repay debt. Like it or not, that is the reality.

you really do live in cloud cuckooland don't you. You wouldn't recognise 'reality' if it bit you. You have been sulking and prophesying doom ever since we sold Doyle; it's about time you got over it and stopped slagging the club off all the time
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Posted 29 May 2015 - 06:38 AM

Don't think Roberts will do a Blatherwick and take a massive paycut here. Not many player have the loyalty that Steve had. 95% of player have no loyalty, not saying they don't love the clubs they play for but when a better offer for them comes in they will usually take it as would most of us.
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Posted 29 May 2015 - 07:03 AM

I don’t begrudge Paul Cook taking the Portsmouth job just as I don’t begrudge players leaving for more money. I would much rather have ambitious players/managers at the club who help our club and further their own careers at the same time than ones who remain loyal but sees us as the pinnacle of their expectations. Off course there are expectations to the rule such as Lester, Talbot and Tommy Lee who are both talented and loyal but these are few and far between.

Cook had reached the point where he would most likely have had to rebuild the side, as financially we can’t afford to keep the current squad together. He clearly felt that he was on a hiding to nothing, as the chances are that we would have stagnated at best. A new man at the helm has fresh ideas and enthusiasm. He’ll have different player targets and there will be ambitious players, hungry for an opportunity at a club like ours.
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Posted 29 May 2015 - 10:17 PM

View PostXerxes, on 29 May 2015 - 06:29 AM, said:

you really do live in cloud cuckooland don't you. You wouldn't recognise 'reality' if it bit you. You have been sulking and prophesying doom ever since we sold Doyle; it's about time you got over it and stopped slagging the club off all the time


It's always a good idea to get your facts right if you're going to challenge other people's opinions. I've never 'prophesied doom' at all, so you're obviously confusing me with somebody else. What I DID say is that the sale of Doyle clearly indicated the start of a period of stagnation, when we turned our backs on the possibility of moving forward on the football front and concentrated on improving the club's financial situation. Every single move by the club since then has followed that pattern, and if people like me simply point that out it isn't 'slagging the club off', it's simply commenting on what is actually happening. I think most people can decide for themselves who's inhabiting cloud cuckoo land. If you want to grow up and actually argue sensibly you could try to give up the juvenile name - calling and explain exactly which of my comments is not based on what has actually happened, but I won't be holding my breath.

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Posted 30 May 2015 - 07:16 AM

View Postsophocles, on 29 May 2015 - 10:17 PM, said:

What I DID say is that the sale of Doyle clearly indicated the start of a period of stagnation, when we turned our backs on the possibility of moving forward on the football front and concentrated on improving the club's financial situation. Every single move by the club since then has followed that pattern, and if people like me simply point that out it isn't 'slagging the club off'

If you want to grow up and actually argue sensibly you could try to ....explain exactly which of my comments is not based on what has actually happened, but I won't be holding my breath.

well, here's what I hope you regard as a sensible question related to your assertion that your comments are based on what actually happened. .....

What are the axes of your 'stagnation' graph, that so clearly indicate the start of a period of decline?. Time against Points Gained?. Time against Money Banked?. Time against Attendances?. Time against League Position?. The only sensible one I can think of in your favour is Time against Further Investment in Players, which everybody accepts is a straight line 'nil'.
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Posted 30 May 2015 - 07:22 AM

Dim....stop banging that tired old we did better without doyle drum.
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Posted 30 May 2015 - 07:30 AM

View PostErwan dsihounou, on 30 May 2015 - 07:22 AM, said:

Dim....stop banging that tired old we did better without doyle drum.

Ha, suppression of free speech now. There's a place for you at FIFA.
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Posted 30 May 2015 - 11:26 AM

View Postdim view, on 30 May 2015 - 07:16 AM, said:

well, here's what I hope you regard as a sensible question related to your assertion that your comments are based on what actually happened. .....

What are the axes of your 'stagnation' graph, that so clearly indicate the start of a period of decline?. Time against Points Gained?. Time against Money Banked?. Time against Attendances?. Time against League Position?. The only sensible one I can think of in your favour is Time against Further Investment in Players, which everybody accepts is a straight line 'nil'.

I comment and judge on what I'm seeing is actually happening day to day at the club, both on and off the pitch, NOT by plotting graphs. You appear not to have noticed that we let a very promising left-sided CB go, then did the same with the most currently prolific striker in the country, then arrived at the end of the season with most rational commentators saying that, well as we did, we could have done even better with a good left-sided CB (like Cooper), and a clinical striker (like Doyle). As far as I'm concerned, falling below the level you could have achieved IS a decline. If we now lose our better players, the line (to give you your graph analogy) will dip even further; if we keep our better players the line may well stay level, or even rise, though it has to be admitted that all the indications are that we will lose at least some of our star players.
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Posted 30 May 2015 - 11:46 AM

View Postsophocles, on 30 May 2015 - 11:26 AM, said:

I comment and judge on what I'm seeing is actually happening day to day at the club, both on and off the pitch, NOT by plotting graphs. You appear not to have noticed that we let a very promising left-sided CB go, then did the same with the most currently prolific striker in the country, then arrived at the end of the season with most rational commentators saying that, well as we did, we could have done even better with a good left-sided CB (like Cooper), and a clinical striker (like Doyle). As far as I'm concerned, falling below the level you could have achieved IS a decline. If we now lose our better players, the line (to give you your graph analogy) will dip even further; if we keep our better players the line may well stay level, or even rise, though it has to be admitted that all the indications are that we will lose at least some of our star players.

if you don't buy into the plan to buy - develop - sell - buy again, then just say so. Certainly in the case of Cooper, I don't think we suffered at all as we had very good reserves, Hird and Raglan, to come in.

There are 2 questions. One is whether the above plan is a good one. The second is whether we are making a complete bollux of using any money generated from plan 1 properly. The fact that we truly do appear to be making a bollux of plan 2 is clouding your judgement of plan 1.
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Posted 30 May 2015 - 12:07 PM

View Postdim view, on 30 May 2015 - 11:46 AM, said:

if you don't buy into the plan to buy - develop - sell - buy again, then just say so. Certainly in the case of Cooper, I don't think we suffered at all as we had very good reserves, Hird and Raglan, to come in.

There are 2 questions. One is whether the above plan is a good one. The second is whether we are making a complete bollux of using any money generated from plan 1 properly. The fact that we truly do appear to be making a bollux of plan 2 is clouding your judgement of plan 1.


The two aspects are inextricably linked, so you can't judge them separately;if we end up with a weaker team as a result of selling players then the plan has failed. The other point is that, if the aim is simply to cut the outgoings and the debt, then, from the financial viewpoint, the plan has worked, irrespective of results on the field. As has already been pointed out, fans have different success criteria to those of the Chairman, and he calls the shots because it's his money.
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Posted 30 May 2015 - 03:08 PM

View Postsophocles, on 29 May 2015 - 10:17 PM, said:

I've never 'prophesied doom' at all, so you're obviously confusing me with somebody else..........I think most people can decide for themselves who's inhabiting cloud cuckoo land.


View Postsophocles, on 15 February 2015 - 02:55 PM, said:

Your 'good business' argument is also wide of the mark- as many of us have been pointing out since the day Doyle was given away for peanuts, the relatively small financial gain will be offset by the inevitable decline in attendances and the next batch of season tickets. As myself and others have said from day one


View Postsophocles, on 02 February 2015 - 04:29 PM, said:

Definitely the most stupid decision I've witnessed as a CFC supporter. has anyone at the club considered the negative impact on the rest of the team, our play - off chances, attendances, and season ticket sales? The amount of income sacrificed by this idiotic move will probably make the laughable transfer fee look like peanuts in a few months time. Absolutely diabolical, pointless, and suicidal decision making.


View Postsophocles, on 16 February 2015 - 06:17 PM, said:

giving away our play - off chances, undermining morale and depressing attendances is winning


View Postsophocles, on 17 February 2015 - 09:50 PM, said:

I'm not looking forward to the utterly predictable decline in attendances, morale, and future season ticket sales.







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Posted 30 May 2015 - 04:14 PM

Actually i'm not bothered if roberts goes; if he's unsettled for whatever reason get him out of here. Additionally, isn't it time people stopped looking at him through rose tinted glasses; i don't think he offered that much on many occassions; too often showboating before the real work was done which would allow for showboating when we were 2- 3 up, not when we were level or down. I also won't miss his diving!
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Posted 30 May 2015 - 05:52 PM

View Posta kick in the balls, on 30 May 2015 - 03:08 PM, said:



Well I wouldn't have bothered to look through my previous posts, but since you've gone to so much trouble I have to thank you for showing that, unfortunately I was absolutely right - cheers!
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Posted 30 May 2015 - 06:45 PM

View Postsophocles, on 30 May 2015 - 05:52 PM, said:

Well I wouldn't have bothered to look through my previous posts, but since you've gone to so much trouble I have to thank you for showing that, unfortunately I was absolutely right - cheers!


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Posted 31 May 2015 - 07:41 AM

View PostESKDALE, on 30 May 2015 - 04:14 PM, said:

Actually i'm not bothered if roberts goes; if he's unsettled for whatever reason get him out of here. Additionally, isn't it time people stopped looking at him through rose tinted glasses; i don't think he offered that much on many occassions; too often showboating before the real work was done which would allow for showboating when we were 2- 3 up, not when we were level or down. I also won't miss his diving!



Are you for real ? He was the one in the no.11 shirt in case you didn't notice.
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Posted 31 May 2015 - 07:42 AM

View PostESKDALE, on 30 May 2015 - 04:14 PM, said:

Actually i'm not bothered if roberts goes; if he's unsettled for whatever reason get him out of here. Additionally, isn't it time people stopped looking at him through rose tinted glasses; i don't think he offered that much on many occassions; too often showboating before the real work was done which would allow for showboating when we were 2- 3 up, not when we were level or down. I also won't miss his diving!


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Posted 31 May 2015 - 07:58 AM

View PostESKDALE, on 30 May 2015 - 04:14 PM, said:

Actually i'm not bothered if roberts goes; if he's unsettled for whatever reason get him out of here. Additionally, isn't it time people stopped looking at him through rose tinted glasses; i don't think he offered that much on many occassions; too often showboating before the real work was done which would allow for showboating when we were 2- 3 up, not when we were level or down. I also won't miss his diving!


Rose tinted glasses or just actual eyes?

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Posted 31 May 2015 - 02:11 PM

View PostESKDALE, on 30 May 2015 - 04:14 PM, said:

Actually i'm not bothered if roberts goes; if he's unsettled for whatever reason get him out of here. Additionally, isn't it time people stopped looking at him through rose tinted glasses; i don't think he offered that much on many occassions; too often showboating before the real work was done which would allow for showboating when we were 2- 3 up, not when we were level or down. I also won't miss his diving!


Have you actually ever been to any of our matches?
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Posted 31 May 2015 - 03:14 PM

ESKDALE said:

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Actually i'm not bothered if roberts goes; if he's unsettled for whatever reason get him out of here. Additionally, isn't it time people stopped looking at him through rose tinted glasses; i don't think he offered that much on many occassions; too often showboating before the real work was done which would allow for showboating when we were 2- 3 up, not when we were level or down. I also won't miss his diving!


What planet and how many matches you been to Think you had one too many
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