[Mr Mercury]

As a life long Labour voter it's an absolute tragedy to see what Corbyn and his supporters are doing to this once great political party. It's committing political suicide.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Mr Mercury, on 26 September 2016 - 07:24 PM, said:

As a life long Labour voter it's an absolute tragedy to see what Corbyn and his supporters are doing to this once great political party. It's committing political suicide.

Connected to the labour party I see it has come out that Arthur Scargill and Margaret Thatcher hater, bought a property through Maggie's Right to Buy policy, hypocrite.

[Search & Destroy]

Tricky one, he does have the mandate from the members, although the majority of new members are Facebook led anti capitalist and general anarchist rabble.

The kind of people that normal society, left and right can't stomach.

Reminds me a bit of when Rage Against The Machine got xmas number one.

[Zeus]

Search and Destroy, on 27 September 2016 - 06:46 AM, said:

Tricky one, he does have the mandate from the members, although the majority of new members are Facebook led anti capitalist and general anarchist rabble.

The kind of people that normal society, left and right can't stomach.

Reminds me a bit of when Rage Against The Machine got xmas number one.

Support this with evidence please.

I voted Corbyn both times, firstly because he has a political philosophy that I largely agree with (although there are of course some areas in which I disagree with him) and that makes sense to me; and secondly, this time at least, he was up against someone who doesn't have any political principles that can be believed. Sorry if that's so hard for normal society to stomach.

[SpireiteFitzy]

Owen Smith and Angela Eagle were no more than scavaging opportunists trying to fast track their way to a job that is beyond them.

The one thing I don't get, if this opposition to Corbyn is so huge and he's as universally hated in labour circles as some say, then where is the official opposition? A few hundred thousand have just voted Corbyn back into power. If millions of labour supporters hate him it wouldn't have been that hard to beat him with supposedly so many voters. Yet no major opposition politician stood against him, and non Of The labour supporters who don't like him could apparently be bothered to join the party en masse and make a difference with their vote, so they aren't really that bothered are they.

Time for the party to unite behind him cause there are way too many people putting their own personal agenda before the good Of The party they represent.

[Search & Destroy]

Zeus, on 27 September 2016 - 07:48 AM, said:

Support this with evidence please.

I voted Corbyn both times, firstly because he has a political philosophy that I largely agree with (although there are of course some areas in which I disagree with him) and that makes sense to me; and secondly, this time at least, he was up against someone who doesn't have any political principles that can be believed. Sorry if that's so hard for normal society to stomach.

You surely aren't denying this?

[Mr Mercury]

Zeus, on 27 September 2016 - 07:48 AM, said:

Support this with evidence please.

I voted Corbyn both times, firstly because he has a political philosophy that I largely agree with (although there are of course some areas in which I disagree with him) and that makes sense to me; and secondly, this time at least, he was up against someone who doesn't have any political principles that can be believed. Sorry if that's so hard for normal society to stomach.

The evidence will be as clear as day at the next election!

[Search & Destroy]

Tories should call an election straight away, Labour are a joke.

[Bonnyman]

https://www.google.c...hYjDS6HezW2VqCQ

This post has been edited by Bonnyman: 28 September 2016 - 05:03 PM

[trickytrevsfanclub]

Bonnyman, on 28 September 2016 - 05:01 PM, said:

https://www.google.c...hYjDS6HezW2VqCQ

An article written by s Corbyn fan, means nothing.
A family friend who is a retired social worker and as left wing as they come despises Corbyn and what the Labour Party has become. She is a Labour Party activist who I doubt has ever read any of the so called right wing press in her life.
It's people like this that count and if they're not happy then how is the Labour Party ever going to develop any proper opposition or get into power. She'll vote Labour because she always has and always will. There are plenty like that but there are plenty that aren't and once you lose those you're stuffed.

[Middle East]

SpireiteFitzy, on 27 September 2016 - 08:19 AM, said:

Owen Smith and Angela Eagle were no more than scavaging opportunists trying to fast track their way to a job that is beyond them.

The one thing I don't get, if this opposition to Corbyn is so huge and he's as universally hated in labour circles as some say, then where is the official opposition? A few hundred thousand have just voted Corbyn back into power. If millions of labour supporters hate him it wouldn't have been that hard to beat him with supposedly so many voters. Yet no major opposition politician stood against him, and non Of The labour supporters who don't like him could apparently be bothered to join the party en masse and make a difference with their vote, so they aren't really that bothered are they.

Time for the party to unite behind him cause there are way too many people putting their own personal agenda before the good Of The party they represent.

It's not the Labour party he needs to get behind him, it's millions of traditional Labour voters and that is never ever going to happen.

He is a latter day Michael Foot and we will get trounced at the next election and every one after that while he and his left wing mates remain in charge....the Tories must be urineing themselves laughing!

As for opportunists putting themselves before the party Corbyn typifies that exactly....

He saw the opportunity to become leader, took it, then put himself first by clinging on to power whilst watching the party self destruct and in doing so has set it back it back 30 years....a real man of principal!

[calvin plummers socks]

Andy Burnham- the only man who can save Labour?
Or Dawn Butler?

Maybe when he finishes his mayoral duties in Manchester?

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

The Michael Foot analogy is one I've often quoted, too.

Both Foot and Corbyn were/are good men, people of morals, principle and sincerity.

However in these days of presidential style politics appearance counts for a great deal - and the latter's as shambolic as the first.

I doubt many, perhaps most decent folk would take issue with Labour's policies - properly funding the NHS and education; using historically cheap money to invest in infrastructure and provide assets for the country; re-nationalising the railways instead of handing billions to private shareholders for a lousy service.

However whilst there's definitely been an improvement against an uncomfortable, often clumsy and clearly clueless Teresa May, Corbyn remains a leader of protests rather than potential leader of the nation.

This post has been edited by MDCCCLXVI: 02 October 2016 - 08:31 AM

[Benno Spire]

In my view, if Andy Burnham was labour leader they would win the next election

[Zeus]

Benno Spire, on 02 October 2016 - 03:02 PM, said:

In my view, if Andy Burnham was labour leader they would win the next election

I've a lot of time for Andy Burnham, I think he's been a great asset to Labour. His weakness is in trying to be all things to all people and often flip-flopping in chasing votes rather than taking a principled and consistent stance.

Clive Lewis, on the other hand, could take the reins and trounce the tories...

[Search & Destroy]

May and the Tories are sure to clean up, look like taking a huge amount of UKIP voters

[Mr Mercury]

Search and Destroy, on 05 October 2016 - 07:14 AM, said:

May and the Tories are sure to clean up, look like taking a huge amount of UKIP voters

If anything UKIP are in an even bigger mess than Labour, no real agenda now Brexit is on the cards and totally rudderless. Also the Liberals will carry the can of Cleggs duplicity with the Tories for many years to come. You're right if May called an election now it would be a massacre, but that would enable Labour to get rid of Corbyn and either regroup or restructure and come closer to regaining some sort of normality, so no early election and leave the opposition completely in disarray for at least another four years!

[Search & Destroy]

I was a huge advocate of UKIP but don't see the point of voting for them again.

[kh83]

Labour are almost dead and buried and I wouldn't dismiss UKIP just yet.

UKIP like labour have had leadership issues and in fighting and neither are in a great position after the Referendum result that had a huge effect on both.

With Corbyn as leader, Labour won't be anything like an opposition to the Tories and by 2020 could easily be the third biggest party as to many, they now look like a bigger version of the Green party and a lot of traditional voters in Labour heartlands won't vote Labour.

Now UKIP, some say their job is done but I don't agree. Article 50 hasn't been triggered yet and when it does it will take 2 years of negotiating before the chains are fully off and we are an independent, outward looking nation engaging world wide. We need a party that is putting constant pressure on the Tories to ensure that they negotiate a deal that the country voted for and not some watered down fluffy version. I think UKIP are the only party capable and willing to do this. They aren't in a great position but if Steven Woolfe becomes the new leader, which I think he will, I think there's a more than realistic chance that UKIP will become the main opposition to the Tories.

[Johnnyspireite7]

kh83, on 06 October 2016 - 12:19 PM, said:

Labour are almost dead and buried and I wouldn't dismiss UKIP just yet.

UKIP like labour have had leadership issues and in fighting and neither are in a great position after the Referendum result that had a huge effect on both.

With Corbyn as leader, Labour won't be anything like an opposition to the Tories and by 2020 could easily be the third biggest party as to many, they now look like a bigger version of the Green party and a lot of traditional voters in Labour heartlands won't vote Labour.

Now UKIP, some say their job is done but I don't agree. Article 50 hasn't been triggered yet and when it does it will take 2 years of negotiating before the chains are fully off and we are an independent, outward looking nation engaging world wide. We need a party that is putting constant pressure on the Tories to ensure that they negotiate a deal that the country voted for and not some watered down fluffy version. I think UKIP are the only party capable and willing to do this. They aren't in a great position but if Steven Woolfe becomes the new leader, which I think he will, I think there's a more than realistic chance that UKIP will become the main opposition to the Tories.

Based upon what has happened today it would appear that some of the membership don't agree.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-37572377