[Spireite-Karl]

This is how I see it... I can't believe anyone would want to recall Talbot and put him straight into the squad based purely on the past. IF we did pick up a few injuries and Talbot got a chance and he then looks good enough to get another stab at it then that's a bit different; but to move one of our better performers this season into another position to accommodate a player that's got nothing to go on form wise with us as well as at this level is utter madness imo. IF Cook started to move our best consistent performers about (like Tendayi and Morsy) I'd would think he'd lost the plot and turned into Sheridan!

[JonB]

Erwan dsihounou, on 02 March 2015 - 12:05 PM, said:

i find it amazing how peopke dont see how good talbot is especially when they have lauded dross like armand, talbot has played with bigger clubs than us has been a captain of the side and never let anybody down he could play in this league standing on his head.

He struggled last time around in league 1 playing full back even though the side was poor. The problem currently is that we've no real idea how the injury has affected him...his play was based a lot around his speed and mobility so injuries could impact him a lot more than other players who dont rely on that side of things. You keep saying "is" when talking about him when currently you have to say "was" until we see something to say he is back to being "is".

[brianclose]

Erwan dsihounou, on 02 March 2015 - 12:05 PM, said:

i find it amazing how peopke dont see how good talbot is especially when they have lauded dross like armand, talbot has played with bigger clubs than us has been a captain of the side and never let anybody down he could play in this league standing on his head.

He hadn't really had a career before us. Lots of sub apps for Wednesday followed by a relatively big money move to Luton where he flopped as a striker. We have been the making of him!

[Bonnyman]

JonB, on 02 March 2015 - 12:15 PM, said:

He struggled last time around in league 1 playing full back even though the side was poor. The problem currently is that we've no real idea how the injury has affected him...his play was based a lot around his speed and mobility so injuries could impact him a lot more than other players who dont rely on that side of things. You keep saying "is" when talking about him when currently you have to say "was" until we see something to say he is back to being "is".

Talbot never struggled in league 1 its a complete myth, if he did how many times was he dropped..answer none...the side he played in was complete crap if he struggled do you think sheridan would have brought him back in on loanit isnt a case of moving darikwa its a case of making the 3 behind the striker as strong as possible and roberts cluclas and darikwa are the strongest 3 players that we have behind the striker.

[brianclose]

Erwan dsihounou, on 02 March 2015 - 12:30 PM, said:

Talbot never struggled in league 1 its a complete myth, if he did how many times was he dropped..answer none...the side he played in was complete crap if he struggled do you think sheridan would have brought him back in on loanit isnt a case of moving darikwa its a case of making the 3 behind the striker as strong as possible and roberts cluclas and darikwa are the strongest 3 players that we have behind the striker.

But according to most on here Darikwa cant cross for toffee.

[Goku]

Erwan dsihounou, on 02 March 2015 - 12:30 PM, said:

Talbot never struggled in league 1 its a complete myth, if he did how many times was he dropped..answer none...the side he played in was complete crap if he struggled do you think sheridan would have brought him back in on loanit isnt a case of moving darikwa its a case of making the 3 behind the striker as strong as possible and roberts cluclas and darikwa are the strongest 3 players that we have behind the striker.

Huh? He got his arse kicked in our relegation season. I'm not holding it against him because we had a dire team but he 100% struggled.

This post has been edited by Goku: 02 March 2015 - 12:48 PM

[JonB]

Erwan dsihounou, on 02 March 2015 - 12:30 PM, said:

Talbot never struggled in league 1 its a complete myth, if he did how many times was he dropped..answer none...the side he played in was complete crap if he struggled do you think sheridan would have brought him back in on loanit isnt a case of moving darikwa its a case of making the 3 behind the striker as strong as possible and roberts cluclas and darikwa are the strongest 3 players that we have behind the striker.

He struggled and he wasnt dropped because we didnt really have anyone to replace him. Yes the whole side struggled but that included him!

He did a good job in League 2 for us hence why Sheridan, manager of league 2 Plymouth, has took him back on loan....although then preceded to play him on the left initially! I'm not knocking Talbot as you cant argue how well he has done for us in the time he's been with us but you cant just say he will be good enough in this side in a higher division on the back of a lengthy injury spell that could have hindered his main strengths to the point you can pick him as the best side we can play based on who we have no matter where they are currently.

[Bonnyman]

JonB, on 02 March 2015 - 12:37 PM, said:

He struggled and he wasnt dropped because we didnt really have anyone to replace him. Yes the whole side struggled but that included him!

He did a good job in League 2 for us hence why Sheridan, manager of league 2 Plymouth, has took him back on loan....although then preceded to play him on the left initially! I'm not knocking Talbot as you cant argue how well he has done for us in the time he's been with us but you cant just say he will be good enough in this side in a higher division on the back of a lengthy injury spell that could have hindered his main strengths to the point you can pick him as the best side we can play based on who we have no matter where they are currently.

Where is frearsghost else i will have to beat this lot up on my own.

[Spire-Power]

Talbot would be a very useful squad player in L1. I rate him at the same standard as Hird, Evatt, O'Shea and Lee (very good in L2, average in L1). The key issues are obviously whether he is finally over his reocurring injury and his wages if he was retained. He might not want to stay here on reduced terms if he gets a better offer elsewhere, even if its a long way from home and in L2

This post has been edited by Spire-Power: 02 March 2015 - 01:04 PM

[Spireite-Karl]

Erwan dsihounou, on 02 March 2015 - 12:45 PM, said:

Where is frearsghost else i will have to beat this lot up on my own.

HaHa.

You'd scare the living daylights out of me if you were the manager especially with frearsghost as your assistant if he thinks along the same lines (even more-so than what Sheridan used to).
Sorry but there is no justification for moving Tendayi's from his current role in the side in my book, all for a gamble that may or may not bear fruit. Tendayi is playing top draw stuff, so why would anyone gamble with trying to improve things in with position?? Sorry but it's madness

[Bonnyman]

Spireite-Karl, on 02 March 2015 - 01:10 PM, said:

HaHa.

You'd scare the living daylights out of me if you were the manager especially with frearsghost as your assistant if he thinks along the same lines (even more-so than what Sheridan used to).
Sorry but there is no justification for moving Tendayi's from his current role in the side in my book, all for a gamble that may or may not bear fruit. Tendayi is playing top draw stuff, so why would anyone gamble with trying to improve things in with position?? Sorry but it's madness

Our manager has been playing a useless frenchman for months that scares me more, tendayi is class at present he is a top notch midfielder who wants to operate in the final 3rd other wise he would not make the constant effort..a talbot darikwa right side is without a doubt the best right side we can put out..its got everything


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[azul]

Spire-Power, on 02 March 2015 - 01:00 PM, said:

Talbot would be a very useful squad player in L1. I rate him at the same standard as Hird, Evatt, O'Shea and Lee (very good in L2, average in L1). The key issues are obviously whether he is finally over his reocurring injury and his wages if he was retained. He might not want to stay here on reduced terms if he gets a better offer elsewhere, even if its a long way from home and in L2

For me it is the combination of Talbot and Darikwa that excites me more than Talbot on his own

As for Ariyibi he needs to do it in more than the odd game or two game (just like Banks) before getting too excited.

[Spireite-Karl]

Erwan dsihounou, on 02 March 2015 - 01:17 PM, said:

Our manager has been playing a useless frenchman for months that scares me more, tendayi is class at present he is a top notch midfielder who wants to operate in the final 3rd other wise he would not make the constant effort..a talbot darikwa right side is without a doubt the best right side we can put out..its got everything


Im right
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Im righ

Lol

I don't think Tendayi would look the same player playing further forwards. His needs to come from deeper for me. He burst of speed to recover defensively to save us time and time again can't be underestimated and to shove him further up the field you'd lose most of that. As said by many, his crossing is often disappointing, but okay from a wingback's point of view, so why try to make him something he isn't? And probably never will be? Defensively Drew gives me nightmares as well.

For me out of our back five... The two centre backs (whichever two you'd care to pick), Tommy, and the two players that play LWB; Tendayi is by far our stand out defender, he also contributes to much of our attacking play as well, so while he's doing both to a very good level, then why change it will always be my view.

This post has been edited by Spireite-Karl: 02 March 2015 - 01:32 PM

[dtp]

azul, on 02 March 2015 - 01:18 PM, said:

For me it is the combination of Talbot and Darikwa that excites me more than Talbot on his own

As for Ariyibi he needs to do it in more than the odd game or two game (just like Banks) before getting too excited.

To put a different slant on these arguments and taking into account the fact that management can also include financial considerations I would say -

(1) We will never sell Talbot for a fee, he's a big earner and a younger player with potential could be cheaper, less injury prone, and potentially earn a transfer fee going forward. I feel Drew, at his age, wants to be playing and earning and I do not see him as a long term first choice at the Proact.

(2) Ariyibi is only 19, has potential, not at the top end of our wage scale, needs game time, experience and consistency but could earn us a transfer fee going forward.

(3) Darikwa is already a saleable asset, needs his contract extending, but could potentially be worth more as a central midfield player than as a full back. I feel Ryan is looking to move on and Tendayi could prove very good as his replacement. If this proved to be the case a new right back would come cheaper than a new partner for Morsy if he and Tendayi are still with us at the beginning of next season.